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Considering the topic of this thread, the main point of focus should be that Jesus said unbelievers will enter the kingdom of God, after the believers. There are other verses in the NT which say the same thing.
Feel free to post some quotes. I wouldn`t mind taking a fresh look at them, been a long time since I thought about reaching a decision on this issue. Maybe it`s time.
Anther 50 pages of going in circles with you? Pass.
That`s too bad. I was thinking about putting some time into it.
But I understand. I don`t like to rehash old debates I`ve been in.
Although, that wasn`t my intent in this case.
On the parable, we just have a disagreement about what Jesus was trying to say. You see it as a reference to the Judgement. I see it as pertaining to this side of death only.
I think 1300 posts and still going is an accomplishment.
Anther 50 pages of going in circles with you? Pass.
Imagine if Universalism was the prevailing view and someone launched a topic to ask if they would prefer Damnationism if it were true?Again as an afterthought, the reason I believe that this topic has legs is because there’s freedom here that you can’t find in many other topics about universalism. There’s an invitation to explore here, something that many churches won’t allow, they have already done the thinking for us.
Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
Which brings us around to the point that there really are no good reasons to reject Universalism if it is indeed an option. And it is.
Again as an afterthought, the reason I believe that this topic has legs is because there’s freedom here that you can’t find in many other topics about universalism. There’s an invitation to explore here, something that many churches won’t allow, they have already done the thinking for us.
Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
I find it interesting that out all the writers of the Bible, only the author of Revelation mentions the lake of fire. According to what I've read here and there, the author was not John the Apostle.
Of the New Testament works, only Revelation names its author explicitly as “John.” Revelation is written in much poorer Greek than the Gospel and letters are, and it even spells the name Jerusalem in Greek differently than the Gospel does. So it is extremely unlikely that the same person wrote all of these books. Some scholars therefore refer to the author of Revelation as “John the seer” or “John of Patmos” to distinguish him from the purported author of the Gospel and letters.
Which John? The Elder, the Seer, and the Apostle
I'm sure there are different opinions.
BINGO!Exactly, users deciding to reassert over and over again that they believe universalism isn’t true only goes to show they don’t understand the topic.
That's it! (BINGO! again)One of the reasons the Spirit of the Lord appeared as a dove is that birds traditionally represented both freedom and truth. It's good to have a thread that's designed to allow an exploration of an idea, whether you subsequently come to agree, partially agree or reject it. I hope it trundles on (if threads can trundle)
BINGO!
(I hope that means the same thing on your side of the pond - lol)
Thinking seems to not be allowed in Christian culture.
Right, tribal. Defend the camp at all cost. Thinking has nothing to do with it.I think it's because if you're not confident in your belief, you can't risk examining it through fear that the entire edifice will come tumbling down. But without examinination and questioning, you're never going to get that confidence. So people get their confidence from (trying to) believe what the people around them believe and shouting down everyone else. It's tribal.
I think it's because if you're not confident in your belief, you can't risk examining it through fear that the entire edifice will come tumbling down.
Right, tribal. Defend the camp at all cost. Thinking has nothing to do with it.
And unfortunately it boils down to a form of idolatry. We shouldn't be worshiping doctrines or a book.
How would that put them before the others?
Unless you are joking, you seem unable to grasp that those you consider the worst are the favored ones by God.
Saint Steven said: ↑
Well... why did Jesus say they would enter BEFORE them?
Sharia Christianity.
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