Would you kill to save a loved one ?

[Kirisutokyoo-shinja]

It would be quite difficult to stand by and just watch someone attacking someone you loved and not try and do something about it. Especially a child no matter who it belonged to.

I've only been in this situation once that I can remember, where a guy three times my size was on top of a friend and had a machete in his hand, I had no choice but to try and pull him off my friend. (with prayer of course who wouldn't be praying in that situation) lucky for me (and an answer to prayer) he actually just kind of pretty much gave up the fight willingly once I approached him and started to pull him off.

At any rate I found it impossible to stand by and watch knowing someones life might be at risk. And just as an added note, I didn't need to kill in order to take care of the situation.

What if some how you knew she would not be killed, would you still have acted? I am mainly refering to this...

At any rate I found it impossible to stand by and watch knowing someones life might be at risk. And just as an added note, I didn't need to kill in order to take care of the situation.

Does it require someone elses life at stake for us to help them? Perhaps it is just me but I can't stand seeing others even get hurt. If he had no weapon, if he was just beating up on her...over her pummeling, not even that, just even forcefully messing with her; would you act or do nothing?

Many people seem to think (and I am not implying you) that if one's life isn't in danger...it isn't their problem.

 

[jesus_freak_for_life]

Yes, but only to STOP the murder of a loved one. I would not, in any way, shape, or form, react to it. Yeh, I'd be upset, but I firmly believe the death penalty is wrong and that it is not our place to kill anyone. That person is still loved by God.

 

[Jerry_M]

Would youi kill to spare the life of someone you love ?.  If the oportunity presented itself to enable you to  prevent the life of your loved one being taken, but by default required that you take the life of the perpetrator, would you/could you, do it?

As a Christian I view the Commandments of God as Law, but I am certain that I would not stand by and watch my child being murdered, if I could do something to prevent it.  I know that this is a hypothetical question, but I would be interested to hear in what way other Christians imagine themselves responding in such a situation.

As a genuinely peaceful, law abiding citizen, God loving and fearing, I have a hard time imagining myself living up to the commandment "Thou shalt not kill", when I think of the love that I have for my family and the protective instinct that is present in all of us who are nurturers of family life.

ukok.

What "law of God" precludes you from exercising your God given right to self-defense?

There is no prohibition in Scripture against striking down someone who is raping, molesting, or killing an innocent person.

Christian men need to stand up for what is right, and part of their responsibility is the protection of the family which God has granted them. To do otherwise is not good stewardship. As a result, Christian men need to be well versed in, and equipped for, the means of protecting their families.

 

[BigToe]

if there were anything else to prevent my loved one from being harmed i would try those possibilities first. i would probably ask that the perp hurt me instead. but that would be selfish because i think it would hurt more to see someone i loved get killed and not have done something about it...

 

[Jerry_M]

if there were anything else to prevent my loved one from being harmed i would try those possibilities first. i would probably ask that the perp hurt me instead. but that would be selfish because i think it would hurt more to see someone i loved get killed and not have done something about it...

So, the "perp" attacks you, what then keeps him from hurting your family next? Of, even if he stops with you, who provides for your family after you are killed or horribly injured?

Once again, there is no Scriptural prohibition against striking down evil men performing evil deeds. Think of it this way: You have a right, and a duty, to protect the innocent. Part of the way that you exercise this is to hire policemen to do the job for you. However, during those times when these paid proxies are not available, this falls to you. As a result, you need to be prepared, both physically and mentally, to do whatever is necessary to stop a violent man from attacking your family.

Yes, it would hurt to "see someone (you) loved get killed and not have done something about it", so do something about it.

 

[WalkByFaith]

Yes, but only to STOP the murder of a loved one. I would not, in any way, shape, or form, react to it. Yeh, I'd be upset, but I firmly believe the death penalty is wrong and that it is not our place to kill anyone. That person is still loved by God.

Genesis 9:6
"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man."

Ummmm that seems to be a pretty good defense for the death penalty right there.

 

[jesus_freak_for_life]

Nope. Jesus didn't condemn anyone to death, did He? Nope.

 

[jesus_freak_for_life]

Jesus preached LOVE AND FORGIVENESS! He CONDEMNED JUDGEMENT. The death penalty is wrong. Out with the old rules, Jesus came in and changed everything. The death penalty is wrong, and that is my opinion, along with God's.

 

[servingtheking]

yes I would.

 

[ukok]

What "law of God" precludes you from exercising your God given right to self-defense?

There is no prohibition in Scripture against striking down someone who is raping, molesting, or killing an innocent person.
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Where does it state in the Bible that we have a "God given right to self defence " ?. I see lots of "turn the other cheek", forgive seventy times+, "love thine neighbour as thyself"... perhaps you would be kind enough to post scripture supporting your post.

I don't wish to antagonise, but i would like to be made aware of scriptures supporting acts of violence in self defense.

 

[ZiSunka]

This subject keeps getting debated as if it were likely to happen at any moment, but it hardly ever happens in real life.

Can anyone post any actual experience they have ever had personally where they had to decide between killing someone or letting a loved one be murdered?

 

[ukok]

I am praying to God Almighty that i might be spared the occassion where such an awful occurrance might ever actually happen. When i opened the thread initially it was with some trepidation, but largely interest overcame my concern's.

I feel that discussing such things or debating as long as it does not become aggressive or inflamed, can only benefit us , enlighten us to the views of other's. It could be hypothetical to us now and i pray that the question will always remain so, but someone, somewhere in the world, is having this very real hypothesis being made into a reality, even as i write this response.

 

[Kirisutokyoo-shinja]

Amen

 

[WalkByFaith]

Jesus preached LOVE AND FORGIVENESS! He CONDEMNED JUDGEMENT. The death penalty is wrong. Out with the old rules, Jesus came in and changed everything. The death penalty is wrong, and that is my opinion, along with God's.

Here are some new testament verses for ya
Romans 12: 1-5
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.

This can explain it better than I ever could so rather than me taking typing it in my own words if you don't mind seeing the other side of the argument you should check this out http://www.gospelcom.net/ivpress/title/exc/1423-8b.php .....if not meh (btw I am a little late in my response on this one haha sorry about that)

 

[WalkByFaith]

Oh and think about Cops........ I mean they have to make decisions like that Kill or be killed or let someone else possible die sure they try to incapacitate the person if they have the chance but a lot of times they don't have a choice...... I am sure you could find someone who could tell you about an experiance like that if you tried

 

[Jerry_M]

Where does it state in the Bible that we have a "God given right to self defence " ?. I see lots of "turn the other cheek", forgive seventy times+, "love thine neighbour as thyself"... perhaps you would be kind enough to post scripture supporting your post.

I don't wish to antagonise, but i would like to be made aware of scriptures supporting acts of violence in self defense.

Even though it is written from an "American perspective", the following article, http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1061 "What does the Bible say about Gun Control" contains good solid Scriptural arguments.

I know that it is difficult to imagine that one has the "right" to self-defense while living in the UK, but this is not just an American right, but rather an unalienable right of all men.

 

[ZiSunka]

Oh and think about Cops........ I mean they have to make decisions like that Kill or be killed or let someone else possible die sure they try to incapacitate the person if they have the chance but a lot of times they don't have a choice...... I am sure you could find someone who could tell you about an experiance like that if you tried

Actually, the cops I know say they don't think about "kill or be killed" when they are in dangerous situations. They think about stopping someone from doing something fatal to others, not themselves. They seldom fire their guns to save themselves, which is why so many cops die every year, they use their guns to save others. And they don't have as great control over their weapons as they show in the movies, they aim to wound, but often end up accidentally killing. Killing is a big deal to cops, something to be avoided, not something to take for granted. I think if you knew cops, you would see that they have more respect for human life than most people.

 

[WalkByFaith]

Actually, the cops I know say they don't think about "kill or be killed" when they are in dangerous situations. They think about stopping someone from doing something fatal to others, not themselves. They seldom fire their guns to save themselves, which is why so many cops die every year, they use their guns to save others. And they don't have as great control over their weapons as they show in the movies, they aim to wound, but often end up accidentally killing. Killing is a big deal to cops, something to be avoided, not something to take for granted. I think if you knew cops, you would see that they have more respect for human life than most people.

"To serve and Protect" I never said that cops go hey look a bad guy lets kill him I know they try not to kill the person but a lot of times they don't have a choice (which I allready said) If you got the impression that I think that cops don't value the life and they don't try every possible alternative before a fatal shot then I apolgize because thats not what i meant at all...... I was just saying that they have to make those decisions and that was one example of how the decision of killing someone to save another happens in real life

 

[ZiSunka]

But even for cops, that decision is a rare one. 97% of cops will never fire a bullet in the line of duty in their entire careers, and less than 1% will kill someone. It's not like you see on TV where they kill someone every week.

 

[A Taffer]

Exodus 22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.

Jeremiah 48:10
Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

If any person dared to try to take the life of anyone in my presence, I would not hesitate to kill them if there was no other choice. My sword in this case is my .45 caliber handgun.