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I think you missed my point.
I was saying that if Jesus isn't the Messiah, then Christianity isn't true.
-CryptoLutheran
Would you still hold Christianity true if a time comes that a messiah is hailed in Jerusalem and Christianity is put down and the whole world professes the messianic age has come?
What if your peers still held him as messiah?
And all leaders of modern Judaism hailed him as messiah?
Right, I was raised on a steady diet of Dispensationalism, so I'm familiar with the general outline. It was taught in my home, by every adult I knew, at every church I belonged to, my school from K-8th grade, and I read the books and argued it 'til I was blue in the face when I discovered there were people on the internet who didn't believe it.
I just don't think there's any validity to it.
-CryptoLutheran
Yes. I really couldn't care less if someone was hailed as a messiah--it's happened hundreds of times before, it'll happen hundred of times again. If, hypothetically, a Nicholae Carpathia becomes championed as a messiah (etc etc) I'm not going to forsake Jesus.
What I'm talking about is if the Messiah actually comes, and Jesus isn't the Messiah. I'm not talking about some messianic claimant, not even a super duper messianic claimant.
-CryptoLutheran
Never has it been proclaim in the world that the messianic age has come... Not yet ..
They wouldn't. He would have failed to meet the criteria to be messiah. The messianic age is a transformed age where:
All Jews keep the law perfectly.
All people everywhere have knowledge of G-d without being told.
All people come to the Jews to learn.
This can't happen with a false messiah. Period. It can't happen. ALL PEOPLE means EVERYBODY, including you.
It isn't going to be proclaimed. It's going to be obvious to everybody. Like if suddenly the sky turned neon green everywhere at once. It would be obvious to anybody who could see that the sky had changed and saying it was blue would be incorrect. That's what it's supposed to be like.
If a group of people has to go around telling everybody it's happened, it has failed one of the fundamental prophecies!
So when the false messianic age happens... Then I believe you will see clearly and deny ....
Future history may prove otherwise my brother...
Anything is possible. But I don't see any reason to believe in any of what you mentioned, not without having to turn Scripture upside-down and take much of it completely out of context.
-CryptoLutheran
Would you still hold Christianity true if a time comes that a messiah is hailed in Jerusalem and Christianity is put down and the whole world professes the messianic age has come?
What if your peers still held him as messiah?
And all leaders of modern Judaism hailed him as messiah?
They wouldn't. He would have failed to meet the criteria to be messiah. The messianic age is a transformed age where:
All Jews keep the law perfectly.
All people everywhere have knowledge of G-d without being told.
All people come to the Jews to learn.
This can't happen with a false messiah. Period. It can't happen. ALL PEOPLE means EVERYBODY, including you.
If Messiah comes, and it's not Jesus, and the Temple is rebuilt, then yeah it's going to mean I'm going to be in the market for a new religion.
-CryptoLutheran
This is what you believe and I don't doubt we are the temple
This is what I believe...
The future temple will be built by a false messiah ... It's the 3rd temple... And Christians will be persecuted when this happens
They will think this kingdom shall never end for the messianic age has come and 10 kingdoms of the world will be behind this age
But at some point the man of sin comes and destroys this false messianic age... And Israel will cry our to god ....and that temple will be destroyed because of the idol worship
Then the true messiah comes and all. Israel will be saved and he will reign 1000 years and the millennial temple will be built.... 4th temple
Your heart may be in the right place loammi... But what would you do when your messiah comes persecuting through noachide law and Torah law?
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