Would it matter if God did NOT exist?

[pentecostal girl]

Then what was there before beginning?

God. In John chapter 1 it say in the begging was the word and the word was with God.2 He was in the begging with God.3 All things were made through him, and without was made that was made.4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

 

[pentecostal girl]

yes it would matter if there wasnt a god, because first off, no one would have to waste there time going to church, no one would waste their time praying and hoping for something that wont come true because they prayed for it. People would start trying to help themselves more, gain confidence in themselves instead of placing it with a being that might not even exist...thats just a few reasons why it would matter

Why are you so pesstimistic when it comes to Jesus or christianity. What's wrong in believing in something that gives you hope and makes you a better person. I also noticed in your statement you said a "being that MIGHT not even exist." So if he did exist, what harm is it to you to believe in him. If he doesn't exist then what have you lost nothing! Either way your in a win win situation. Why should a peron not have hope, hope is what gets through our journey through life, without hope were in bad condition. I hope God keeps blessing you over and over again.
God Bless

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Why would GOD not exist? What is your purpose here on earth? To live to 72 and die for a little good and a little bad underneath you belt. My purpose is to have faith and to live with my creator for eternity. And hey you no what not that saying I have doubts but if GOD did not exist what would it matter when I am 6 feet under fertilizing the ground.

 

[revolutio]

God. In John chapter 1 it say in the begging was the word and the word was with God.2 He was in the begging with God.3 All things were made through him, and without was made that was made.4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

What made God change his mind about being alone?

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Back to the original post

"Would it matter if God did NOT exist?"

I know this if I am a believer and if GOD does not exist what do I have to lose?
Now turn the question around and ask "Would it matter if GOD did exist?" to a non believer.

I think I am going to keep my chances. The What If's are always interesting posts.

 

[Natro]

Back to the original post

"Would it matter if God did NOT exist?"

I know this if I am a believer and if GOD does not exist what do I have to lose?
Now turn the question around and ask "Would it matter if GOD did exist?" to a non believer.

I think I am going to keep my chances. The What If's are always interesting posts.

Which God?

 

[Heaven_Bound]

The GOD that created the Heavens and the Earth and all that we see.

 

[Just]

Why are you so pesstimistic when it comes to Jesus or christianity. What's wrong in believing in something that gives you hope and makes you a better person. I also noticed in your statement you said a "being that MIGHT not even exist." So if he did exist, what harm is it to you to believe in him. If he doesn't exist then what have you lost nothing! Either way your in a win win situation. Why should a peron not have hope, hope is what gets through our journey through life, without hope were in bad condition. I hope God keeps blessing you over and over again

Again, which god?
There are literally thousands of gods which people have believed in history.. what if you picked the wrong one? Won't you look silly.....



If the only reason you believe in it is a selfish one - as you said, it doesnt even seem a christian thing to do.

Are you also saying those who do not believe in your god are worse people than yourself? I find that insulting - but extremely hillarious at the same time.
Fundamentalist dogma is blinding the intelligence and creating an ignorant world.

Apparently "ignorance is bliss"......

 

[TwinCrier]

well, well, aren't we a little bit spoiled?

so the only reason you are religious is so you can save your own skin?
not to do good and make people happy?

if God told you to try to save(teach about the word) as many people as you could, but at the end only those people would be saved but not you. Would you be religious? From your answer I think that you wouldn't.
But it's ok, most religious people are that way, they are only religious because of their fear of dying.

Save ny skin, no, save my soul. As lincoln said, People are about as happy as they make their minds up to be, but no one is going to be happy in hell. We are all going to die rather we fear it or not, so you might just as well be prepared for the after life. And if this life is all there is, and believing in God makes me happy, aren't you the one being a spoil sport?

 

[TwinCrier]

Just, if believing in no god is such a good thing, why do you seem so unhappy about other people believing in God? Shouldn't your insite that we are all wrong give you complete peace?

 

[Blissman]

This is an interesting question. Allow me to put aside for the moment the questions of
"Are we doing this for ourselves", and "If we are wrong we have nothing to loose".

It is a question about the nature of belief. In the sense that it cannot be proven using
evidence that God does exist, our believe in God (or Gods/diety/philosphy). We hold to be true that God does exist, and that our faiths tell us to respect God by His laws.
(His laws come from our belief that He had said them). God will be God, if we are right or incorrect. Suppose that the Christians were wrong, and God was Allah, or vice-versa. God will be what He chooses. Man, be they Christian, a member of the Islamic faith, or Wiccan, etc.. We can be wrong (within our own faith). In a sense, God does not exist, it is our belief in God that lives. If God did not in fact exist, He would still exist for us. We would still continue to obey all of the Morals and the laws, and the Commandments, His comfort, and His Saving Grace. God exists without evidence. God does need proof that He exists.

On a personal note: I have read many posts from many people of different faiths (or lack of a faith). I find them all so wonderful. Thank you, everyone. By every wisdom we all seek the truth, and in doing so, we find each other. Perhaps our greatest gift is our humanity. May God bless you all, by whatever way you see Him to be. Peace, Goodwill, Kindness and hope.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Save ny skin, no, save my soul. As lincoln said, People are about as happy as they make their minds up to be, but no one is going to be happy in hell. We are all going to die rather we fear it or not, so you might just as well be prepared for the after life. And if this life is all there is, and believing in God makes me happy, aren't you the one being a spoil sport?

Perfectly said. I think I have expressed my feelings as other people have with this thread and it is time to move on. Natro, I still want you to be happy for your purpose her on earth. What that might be? only you will be able to answer that question.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

In a sense, God does not exist, it is our belief in God that lives. If God did not in fact exist, He would still exist for us. We would still continue to obey all of the Morals and the laws, and the Commandments, His comfort, and His Saving Grace. God exists without evidence. God does need proof that He exists.

Right on! Blissman that was well put I never looked at it that way.

 

[Osiris]

I will agree that far too many people are Christian out of a sheer desire for "fire insurance" but to assume that TwinCrier would not be Christian except out of a fear of dying is ludacrious. I will agree that some out there are teaching 90% law and 10% grace (Ray Comfort is a perfect example) and yes, we are all given the Great Commission in Matthew, but let's face it, if 95% of Christians will never lead someone to Christ, the rest of us 5% need to step it up.

Nonsense...
1 think we know about us is that we die... (and we dont like that)

all we know about God is that he's powerfull
he can give you eternal life if you love him
he can let you die if you don't love him

hmmm, many people choose to love him. I wonder why.

I question your tone, Osiris. Asking the purely hypothetical question as to whether I would be Christian if everyone I taught about the Word would be saved but I would not is a false question. No one can answer that nonsense correctly.

Actually, it's a simple yes or no personal question that you have to answer honestly, if you can't answer it that means that you have doubts in following christianity under those circumstances.

We are sinners, friend. All of us would choose our own Salvation over that of others, and you will never convince me otherwise because it will never come to pass.

That's really the opposite of what Jesus Christ taught, but anyways...
You are missing the point...
If God asked you to sacrifice your life, with no hope of ever living again for the good of the universe, will you do it?
if no? then you do you really love him?

We all sin and fall short of the glory of God, and we would all choose our own skin, because all we do we do because we love Christ. Without Salvation, there is no love for Christ, and if there is no love, there is no teaching about His Word.

"and we would all choose our own skin, because all we do we do because we love Christ. "
I dont see the connection... because we love Jesus, we choose our own skin?

.... to be continued [i have to leave school]

 

[chris0513]

What made God change his mind about being alone?

Simply, God cannot be LOVE (everywhere in NT) without someone to Love. At the very least, he had to form the Trinity.

Chris

 

[nadroj1985]

If God asked you to sacrifice your life, with no hope of ever living again for the good of the universe, will you do it?
if no? then you do you really love him?

That's a really interesting point, Osiris, whether or not it would really happen. The question of whether or not we are willing to fail for God.....

 

[chris0513]

Nonsense...
1 think we know about us is that we die... (and we dont like that)

all we know about God is that he's powerfull
he can give you eternal life if you love him
he can let you die if you don't love him

hmmm, many people choose to love him. I wonder why.

>>Personally, I can only question my own motives. Someone else's motives are between them and God. But to assume that people choose to love God out of a fear of dying is to believe and support that what we are preaching is the truth!!! So thanks!

>>To an agnostic (since there really is no such thing as atheism) who does not believe the Bible or its teachings, the question is moot, since they do not (typically) believe in heaven or hell, so it's never a matter of choosing between the two.


Actually, it's a simple yes or no personal question that you have to answer honestly, if you can't answer it that means that you have doubts in following christianity under those circumstances.

>>You're killing me. That question cannot be answered because IT CANNOT HAPPEN! How can you say that I doubt my Christianity? How dare you! You are robbing Christ of his Judgement Throne. Only he knows where he and I stand.

If God asked you to sacrifice your life, with no hope of ever living again for the good of the universe, will you do it?
if no? then you do you really love him?

>>That's just a purely ludacrious question. I'm not even going to answer it because you cannot posit such a theory because 1) God would not ask me to sacrifice hope like that because he created me to spend eternity with him! and 2) My life is not for the good of the universe, it is for the good of God.

If I'm missing the point, Praise God.

Incidentally, where do you stand on the realm of belief? and Please do not say atheism.

In Christ,

Chris



"and we would all choose our own skin, because all we do we do because we love Christ. "
I dont see the connection... because we love Jesus, we choose our own skin?

.... to be continued [i have to leave school]

 

[pentecostal girl]

What made God change his mind about being alone?

Read the first chapter of Genesis. It's all explained in that chapter. God Bless

 

[Osiris]

Nonsense...
1 think we know about us is that we die... (and we dont like that)

all we know about God is that he's powerfull
he can give you eternal life if you love him
he can let you die if you don't love him

hmmm, many people choose to love him. I wonder why.

>>Personally, I can only question my own motives. Someone else's motives are between them and God.

what do you know about God?
that he is really powerfull, and that he can create life...
if say you love him, he will give you eternal life...
if you don't, he will let you die...

I don't know but this reminds me of this...

Anna Nicole Smith knows that the person she wants to (date/marry) has a lot money...
if she says that she loves him, she will get that money...
if she doesn't , she won't get that money

can you question her motives?
(remember, I am not saying anything, it is not my fault if you think bad thoughts about the connection between the two, unless, you are questioning her motives...)

But to assume that people choose to love God out of a fear of dying is to believe and support that what we are preaching is the truth!!! So thanks!

SO to assume that if you say "Santa will put you in the naughty list if you are bad" is to believe and support that Santa Clause exists is the truth??
if this is the logic you are going to use throughout this debate, why should I take you serious?

>>To an agnostic (since there really is no such thing as atheism) who does not believe the Bible or its teachings, the question is moot, since they do not (typically) believe in heaven or hell, so it's never a matter of choosing between the two.

again, so IF god existed, is his bible teaching what agnostics believe?
IF god existed, it would always be a matter of choosing between the two.

Actually, it's a simple yes or no personal question that you have to answer honestly, if you can't answer it that means that you have doubts in following christianity under those circumstances.

>>You're killing me. That question cannot be answered because IT CANNOT HAPPEN! How can you say that I doubt my Christianity? How dare you! You are robbing Christ of his Judgement Throne. Only he knows where he and I stand.

again, you are limiting your logic here, that is bad chris...
let's say someone asked me this question...
"Osiris, IF you were a girl, what color lipstick would you wear?"
I would say, "Hmm, thats a tough one..., red!!"

well, I am not a girl, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, and yet, I answered it?

and how can I say that you doubt your Christianity? Well, it was just an IFQuestion that dealt with you in general , but if you think that I am saying that towards you, it must be because the shoe fit, and you are wearing it.

I guess I'll give you another shot at the question....

We are sinners, friend. All of us would choose our own Salvation over that of others, and you will never convince me otherwise because it will never come to pass.

That's really the opposite of what Jesus Christ taught, but anyways...
You are missing the point...
If God asked you to sacrifice your life, with no hope of ever living again for the good of the universe, will you do it?
if no? then you do you really love him?

If God asked you to sacrifice your life, with no hope of ever living again for the good of the universe, will you do it?
if no? then you do you really love him?

>>That's just a purely ludacrious question. I'm not even going to answer it because you cannot posit such a theory because 1) God would not ask me to sacrifice hope like that because he created me to spend eternity with him!

and you know this because?? you've been living your whole life only wanting "life", the reward that he'll give you at the end after he knows that you love him?
and if you say that life is not all that you want at the end, then why can't you answer the question "that if you would still follow God if he didn't offer salvation at the end?"

and 2) My life is not for the good of the universe, it is for the good of God.

k, let me rephrase it for you....
If God asked you to sacrifice your life, with no hope of ever living again for the good of the God, will you do it?
if no? then you do you really love him?
happy?

If I'm missing the point, Praise God.

I dont understand your intentions here,
miss the point = miss the detail = miss the meaning

so what you are saying here is,
If I'm missing the meaning, Praise God?
If I'm not using my logic with my full potential, Praise God?

is this something to praise God about?

Incidentally, where do you stand on the realm of belief? and Please do not say atheism.

ok, I won't...




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"and we would all choose our own skin, because all we do we do because we love Christ. "
I dont see the connection... because we love Jesus, we choose our own skin?

.... to be continued [i have to leave school]
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[Osiris]

well, well, aren't we a little bit spoiled?

so the only reason you are religious is so you can save your own skin?
not to do good and make people happy?

if God told you to try to save(teach about the word) as many people as you could, but at the end only those people would be saved but not you. Would you be religious? From your answer I think that you wouldn't.
But it's ok, most religious people are that way, they are only religious because of their fear of dying.

Save ny skin, no, save my soul. As lincoln said, People are about as happy as they make their minds up to be, but no one is going to be happy in hell. We are all going to die rather we fear it or not, so you might just as well be prepared for the after life. And if this life is all there is, and believing in God makes me happy, aren't you the one being a spoil sport?

how does that make me a spoiled sport just because believing in God makes you happy?
On the other hand, why does believing in God make you happy?
Because he will give you eternal life?

Would you still believe(or love) in God if he just gave you this life, but left you to die even if you believed in him or not? (just think of this, and answer this honestly in your heart)

From the looks of it, christians are only interested in salvation, the reward God's love brings. is this really love?

to think that life is only worth it if you live forever, wanting more than what you have been given, isn't this spoilage?

many thoughts,
Osiris