Would it be sin?!?

[Benedicta00]

My wife's godmother was told that 3 children and 2 miscarriages ago. God knows best.

I was told that 3 children and no miscarriage ago.

I was told after my 3rd was born- exactly this, "Do you think you have enough kids? I said why...? and he said, "If you want to live I have to remove your uterus." I was in the process of bleeding to death, the doctor left the room and had my husband sign a consent and next i knew I stopped bleeding and the doctor deiced not to take it out.

I feel I would slap God in his face if I were to go and distrust him now. he saved my life and my fetilty. And I have 3 more children as a result.

Now, I know some here would disagree that 3 more children is a good thing and I won't even dignify that.

 

[Benedicta00]

you however, are quoting Jewish tradition, not Biblical law....there IS a difference.

So children and fertility were curses all along and they were blessed to be infertile with no kids or only one or two and they didn't know it?

Jesus came to do away wit their belief that fertility is a blessing?

 

[sunlover1]

No their true. How many in the OT lamented because they could not bare children and felt they were cursed by God, being punished by him?

If you had many sons, you were considered favored by God. that's an argument for large families. And if you had dughters, then you found them husbands and then you had son in laws, you were blessed.

Now, I am showing you from scripture so you can't come back anymore with how we do not have a biblical legs to stand on. We have quit a few legs that hold us up.

According to Scripture, the reason for marriage is to create godly offspring.

How many children would meet this requirement?

 

[Benedicta00]

You're right - but I'm making a point of the absurdity of it all.

We have people here who are grasping at straws, splitting hairs, sitting in the place of God, and claiming one form of Birth Control is fine while all others are sin and marital sodomy.

I'm pointing out the absurdity of this kind of un-Christian behavior and judgment.

chemicals that abort a child that was convinced is making an absurd argument why ABC is immoral?

Please explain yourself?

 

[Lotar]

According to Scripture, the reason for marriage is to create godly offspring.

How many children would meet this requirement?

As many as God blesses us with.

 

[Benedicta00]

According to Scripture, the reason for marriage is to create godly offspring.

How many children would meet this requirement?

its not a numbers game- it leaving this up to God and not us.

 

[Lotar]

chemicals that abort a child that was convinced is making an absurd argument why ABC is immoral?

Please explain yourself?

Because when children become a burden and curse to be limited or avoided altogether, it is a small step from preventing conception to murdering in the womb and seeing nothing wrong with it.

 

[Uphill Battle]

So children and fertility were curses all along and they were blessed to be infertile with no kids or only one or two and they didn't know it?

Jesus came to do away wit their belief that fertility is a blessing?

you are inferring something I didn't say.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

chemicals that abort a child that was convinced is making an absurd argument why ABC is immoral?

Please explain yourself?

Where did I ever say that "chemicals that abort a child" are okay?

 

[ParsonJefferson]

No their true. How many in the OT lamented because they could not bare children and felt they were cursed by God, being punished by him?

If you had many sons, you were considered favored by God. that's an argument for large families. And if you had dughters, then you found them husbands and then you had son in laws, you were blessed.

Now, I am showing you from scripture so you can't come back anymore with how we do not have a biblical legs to stand on. We have quit a few legs that hold us up.

No, no. They're still inane and inapplicable words.
Castration and a vasectomy are NOT the same thing. THAT is the point.


Yes, in biblical times, being child-less was considered a curse. Also, being blind was considered a punishment, from God, for sin. So... do you go around calling blind people sinners? I doubt it.

But again, you're not giving any Scripture that says Birth Control is WRONG or SINFUL, are you? No, you're not.

So... how many children does that Catholic Church teach is the "acceptable number"?

My wife and I have 3 wonderful children - all of whom are doing great. Our nest is full. We are blessed. In addition, my wife has NOT had to resort to artificial means, such as c-sections, to bear children. Also, I love my wife enough to NOT get her pregnant now that she is in her pre-menopausal stage of life. I love her enough to NOT put her at risk, and to run the exponentially higher risk of having children with birth defects.

We are Christians, who are honoring God in our lives - including our decisions to have children, and to stop having children - and I am NOT going to sit under the arrogant condemnation of a corrupt organization. Nor will I stand quietly by while somebody arrogantly calls our sex life "marital sodomy".

 

[ParsonJefferson]

That is a total misconception of what we are saying.

First, NFP is not fine, it is something allowed under certain circumstances. It is an example of "situational morality" as someone said earlier.

The point is that while not trusting God is a sin, the greater sin is the intentional sterilization of the maritial act, which is the reason of contraception. Furthermore, acting in this way is a form of sexual gluttony, in the manner of bulimia.

I'd suggest you tell that to the Catholic gals here.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

My wife's godmother was told that 3 children and 2 miscarriages ago. God knows best.

Did she have her babies at home, the natural way?

Or did she rely on modern medicine?

And though I won't do it, I could argue that the miscarriages were God's way of reminding her that she shouldn't be getting pregnant all the time.

 

[sunlover1]

its not a numbers game- it leaving this up to God and not us.

That's my point.
Leaving it up to God would be no family planning. Let God have His way with our bodies.

It matters not how one keeps from getting pregnant, one way or another way, bottom line is, no pregnancy, no letting God be God of reproduction.

There is no distinction. The result is the same.
Who's to say one way is more moral than the other when both of these methods take the control from God?

 

[ParsonJefferson]

It's not B/c, it's spacing children.

Wrong. Absolutely wrong.

Natural Family Planning is BIRTH CONTROL. Otherwise, you wouldn't be using it.

And why would you try to "space your children"? Don't you trust God to do that?

 

[ParsonJefferson]

That's my point.
Leaving it up to God would be no family planning. Let God have His way with our bodies.

It matters not how one keeps from getting pregnant, one way or another way, bottom line is, no pregnancy, no letting God be God of reproduction.

There is no distinction. The result is the same.
Who's to say one way is more moral than the other when both of these methods take the control from God?

The answer to that question is simple: The Catholic Church feels it has the right to say that.

 

[praying]

It's not B/c, it's spacing children.

If you are controlling when the children are conceived please explain to me how it isn't birth control?

 

[Benedicta00]

If you are controlling when the children are conceived please explain to me how it isn't birth control?

because of the mentality.

NFP is nothing. It's not a pill, it's not a thing, an object. It's our body and how our body was made.

No "B/C" is being used. Nothing is being used.

We are just choosing to abstain during infertile phases.

What would make what we do considered birth control is if we used it as such which is not to space children but becuase we have a anti baby attitude and mentality.

 

[Benedicta00]

The answer to that question is simple: The Catholic Church feels it has the right to say that.

so why do non Catholic bible Christians agree?

 

[Benedicta00]

Wrong. Absolutely wrong.

Natural Family Planning is BIRTH CONTROL. Otherwise, you wouldn't be using it.

And why would you try to "space your children"? Don't you trust God to do that?

controlling when we get pregnant is not what makes "birth control", contraception. It's the anti baby- anti large family mentality.

for clarification, controlling birth using a moral means is not sinful. Contraception is sinful which is a mentality.

 

[Benedicta00]

Did she have her babies at home, the natural way?

Or did she rely on modern medicine?

And though I won't do it, I could argue that the miscarriages were God's way of reminding her that she shouldn't be getting pregnant all the time.

who here argued against the use of modern medicine?
We object to the abuse of it.

Sterilization for the sole purpose of removing ones fertility is an abuse of modern medicine.