Would it be easier if God did not exist?

[wblastyn]

I posted this over in apologetics, but it's probably better here.

I've been thinking a lot lately and I've been wondering how I'm supposed to be grateful for God coming and dying for us to basically save us from himself. Why couldn't He just zap sin away or revert our nature back to it's unsinful state? Then I'm told to believe the right things by one person and something else by another, but what if those beliefs are the wrong ones, then what? Am I sent to hell for being born into a nature I didn't ask for?

So would it have been much better for me if I was never born? I mean, I'm supposed to believe the right things or go to hell, or go to heaven to worship God for some reason, maybe because he created us but I hate being here, so I'm not really grateful for being created. So what am I supposed to do?

It would be much easier if God did not exist, then I could die without worrying about hell or living forever. If God is real then it's either die and go to hell or go to church and be bored while listening to something I don't really care about then die and do that forever.

 

[wblastyn]

But then if God did not exist then I would kill myself and not worry about hell.

Then again maybe I shouldn't kill myself, so it is better if God is real.

 

[Vardai]

well i always thought it would be much worse if God did not exist,... then i wouldn't have anything to beleive in... and i dont like the idea of just dying, i much rather go to Heaven...

 

[Vardai]

and well... i just find it easier to beleive there is a God, then that there isnt... so its still much better for us that God does exist

 

[WitchBaby]

Well, you can't kill yourself because your points of views I actually agree with most of the time. Haha. Anywhos, I think it'd be easier if God didn't exisit, and you had proof of that. Then there wouldn't be as many problems between enterpertations, ya know? *shrugs*
Atheists have it good, they don't have to worry about right and wrong.

 

[Vardai]

athiests dont have it good... could they are going to hell... and i think thats kinda bad eh...

 

[Vardai]

*cause sorry

 

[bargab]

It was for the freedom to love that is your answer.

I hear you confusion and wonder why God risked so much pain. . . however, if you ask anyone who knows the value of being able to love with the freedom to chose it knows why God gambled so much.

 

[cutekid 4 Jesus]

I posted this over in apologetics, but it's probably better here.

I've been thinking a lot lately and I've been wondering how I'm supposed to be grateful for God coming and dying for us to basically save us from himself. Why couldn't He just zap sin away or revert our nature back to it's unsinful state? Then I'm told to believe the right things by one person and something else by another, but what if those beliefs are the wrong ones, then what? Am I sent to hell for being born into a nature I didn't ask for?

So would it have been much better for me if I was never born? I mean, I'm supposed to believe the right things or go to hell, or go to heaven to worship God for some reason, maybe because he created us but I hate being here, so I'm not really grateful for being created. So what am I supposed to do?

It would be much easier if God did not exist, then I could die without worrying about hell or living forever. If God is real then it's either die and go to hell or go to church and be bored while listening to something
I don't really care about then die and do that forever.

Those arent really the two options,well the first one is kinda accurate but the 2nd one isnt,christianity isnt about going to church and being bored and listening to somethin they dont care about,and if thats all it means to someone they should consider if they have been truly born again or maybe they have but they have let the fire and passion for God die,but either way they need to ask Jesus to sort their relationship with God out,or even establish one in the first place.Im sure there have been many people that have went to church and also went to hell when they die,you need your name to be in the book of life not the church members book to get to heaven.

Shalom.

 

[ZiSunka]

It would be much easier if God did not exist, then I could die without worrying about hell or living forever. If God is real then it's either die and go to hell or go to church and be bored while listening to something I don't really care about then die and do that forever.

The solution to your sin is not to make God non-existent, it is to accept His free offer of redemption. Being saved has nothing to do with going to church. God saves people who have never even SEEN a church.

Scroll to the bottom of this page and click the words, "Be a Christian." It will explain how to get out of that boring church and into real life.

 

[wblastyn]

Those arent really the two options,well the first one is kinda accurate but the 2nd one isnt,christianity isnt about going to church and being bored and listening to somethin they dont care about,and if thats all it means to someone they should consider if they have been truly born again or maybe they have but they have let the fire and passion for God die,but either way they need to ask Jesus to sort their relationship with God out,or even establish one in the first place.Im sure there have been many people that have went to church and also went to hell when they die,you need your name to be in the book of life not the church members book to get to heaven.

Shalom.

Well I've just never had that fire for God, I don't really know how to get that, I've prayed for it before and never got it.

 

[wblastyn]

The solution to your sin is not to make God non-existent, it is to accept His free offer of redemption. Being saved has nothing to do with going to church. God saves people who have never even SEEN a church.

Scroll to the bottom of this page and click the words, "Be a Christian." It will explain how to get out of that boring church and into real life.

Well the going to church comment was supposed to mean we go to church to worship God because we are Christians, not to be a Christian, I should have been more clear.

 

[ZiSunka]

But still, if your church is boring you, not feeding you and stirring your desire for more of God, then you gotta go to another, more alive church. Your church is failing you man!

 

[Mr.Cheese]

I've found that another facet of salvation is that God saved us from ourselves. Your salvation is between you and God and not you and anyone else. I'm glad for this because I cant' seem to fit in with anyone. I don't like church and have a bad attitude about it in general.
Life is our relationship with God. That is our purpose. When that gets sorted out, other things start to work out too. It doesn't make life all happy and stuff, but it sorts things out.

 

[ukok]

i don't want to even think about what kind of place this world would be if there wasn't a God - because there wouldn't be a world! Of course, I say that because i am a Christian - an athiest may have a differing opinion.

you can choose what you want to believe in - you can believe the man in the moon, Santa Claus or nothing at all but yourself - but you might still want to know why you are here, how you got here, the purpose to your life - and there is only 1 who can answer all your querstions. Of course, I say that because i am a Christian.

Ultimately you can pretend that God doesn't exist. Perhaps then you will be able to plod through life feeling guiltless, perhaps you will even find peace and some kind of contentment - but God knows your name, even if you don't want to know His - and He will be there for you until you take your last breath. But of course, I say that because i am a Christian.

We may not understand His ways and means of working in our lives, we may think that He is distant,that He isn't performing quite how we would wish Him to - but He is greater than our capacity to understand. Continue to trust in Him, He will lead you out of the wilderness - but in His time, not your own.

 

[wblastyn]

i don't want to even think about what kind of place this world would be if there wasn't a God - because there wouldn't be a world....

At the minute I don't really care if life has meaning or not, I just don't like it.

Ultimately you can pretend that God doesn't exist. Perhaps then you will be able to plod through life feeling guiltless....

I believe God exists, but if I didn't I wouldn't go out and do things I wouldn't normally do, like drink smoke, take drugs, etc.

We may not understand His ways and means of working in our lives, we may think that He is distant,that He isn't performing quite how we would wish Him to - but He is greater than our capacity to understand. Continue to trust in Him, He will lead you out of the wilderness - but in His time, not your own.

I'm starting to get tired of being patient.

 

[ZiSunka]

Sounds like clinical depression.

Have you seen your doctor about this yet?

 

[wblastyn]

Sounds like clinical depression.

Have you seen your doctor about this yet?

Would that involve talking to someone I don't know? Heh, then no.

 

[ukok]

"At the minute I don't really care if life has meaning or not, I just don't like it."



-ok, let's say i believe that you don't care if life has meaning or not...no, let's not say that... If you didn't care whether your days were bland and without hope, why would you even bother getting out of bed in the morning ? If there is no meaning to your life, there is no point, there is no reason to motivate yourself each day - why not just stay in bed ? If you view life as being meaningless, then the consequences of doing nothing with your life will have no meaning to you and should not bother you, is that really the case ? Do you really feel so void of hope ?



"I believe God exists, but if I didn't I wouldn't go out and do things I wouldn't normally do, like drink smoke, take drugs, etc. "



- i didn't mean to imply that you would.





"I'm starting to get tired of being patient."


-Believe me, no one is more impatient than me. I want something doing yesterday! - but God is bigger than we are, he knows why things have to work out in His time. I'm not very good at waiting to see what He has in store for me either. But if i ask him to change my life i know He will. If I ask Him to give me purpose and direction, I know that He won't let me down.

What do you want me to tell you - Go rush God, Go demand answers ? - Well, you don't have any influence over when He chooses to reveal His plans for you, none of us do. But i would say, yes, ask for the answers. Ask the LORD to heal you of these struggles - but be prepared to work at them yourself. It's not a free ride, we have to accept that change for the better, requires maximum effort from ourselves.

 

[wblastyn]

-ok, let's say i believe that you don't care if life has meaning or not...no, let's not say that... If you didn't care whether your days were bland and without hope, why would you even bother getting out of bed in the morning ? If there is no meaning to your life, there is no point, there is no reason to motivate yourself each day - why not just stay in bed ? If you view life as being meaningless, then the consequences of doing nothing with your life will have no meaning to you and should not bother you, is that really the case ? Do you really feel so void of hope ?

Well actually I spend my time either in bed or online.