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Would God make someone who can't believe in him?

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DrBubbaLove

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Gilyon,
Faith, hope, love, dream. These are things atheist and religious alike speak of. It has been said without such things our lives are meaningless, we are adrift. In fact almost anything we do worth doing requires elements of all these things before the act itself makes any logic sense. A vacation, climb a mountain, cure a disease, enter a marriage, run a race, run for office. Doing any of things without having faith, hope, a love, a dream in action (vision) makes any sense.

We dream of doing something. If we do not have faith we can do it, then it is unlikely we will either attempt it or very likely our own doubt will thwart our effort if we try it(as opposed to doing it). It remains a dream. If we have faith, then the dream can become a vision - a goal that we believe we can achieve. It is then our love for obtaining that vision that keeps our faith alive, keeps us going, gives us hope.
Once we start to act towards that goal, it is that love we hold on to that gives us hope, makes the dream real for us, and ultimately allows us to achieve that goal.

Loose that hope and our success of reaching that goal is in jeopardy. We get derailed, go off track or even turn around or give up. We never get there. Our vision becomes clouded. In order to see that vision again, we have to then rely on our original love we had for that dream to rebuild our faith, to rekindle the hope before we can get back on track towards that goal.

We can all see this is true and apply it to our lives whether we are atheist, agnostic or believers. The interesting thing is the inability of some to imagine that these things would apply to life itself as a whole. Ultimately all religions attempt to answer what is the hope, the dream which becomes a vision for each of us in this life. Very basically, why am I here? Intellectually that question requires an answer and any answer that ends with our death is intellectually dishonest.

The answer that it really does not matter either way (agnostic) is not really honest either. Did the search for a cure for polio matter to those saved by it now? The vision (that polio could be cured) has mattered a great deal for many lives. Does the search for a cure for all cancer matter to the person attempting it who has died without finding it? It certainly has already mattered for the people who have already been saved by that vision.

You are not alone in life. We all face garbage, difficulties in life. Yes, some greater than others but we all have to deal with bad things. It is no different with any endeavor, and life is certainly an endeavor. And like any other endeavor it is our hope, the love for the vision we have put our faith in that keeps us going. A priest once suggested this to me and have found it helpful, perhaps you will too. When I have been feeling really bad about myself or life in general, start my day and then any time I look in a mirror, look myself in the eye and repeat "God loves you" three times (out loud if possible).

May God bless you.
 
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I just got back from visiting my family in the US; I've realized that the culture that surrounds Christianity over there really does put a huge damper on my desire to explore it. It's hard to want to look at something when people who claim to represent it yell at you. My ex-boyfriend is the reason why I've decided to start looking for God, and the only time I felt anything that I would come close to describing as "God's presence" was when we were making love. It makes me think I'm looking in the wrong place when people denounce the only thing that has led me to where they say I should be. Sorry for that rant -.-

heymikey80:
I think your philosophy on life is very interesting... I'm not sure if I completely understand what you're saying though. I don't really get why the things you listed can't be a meaning. For example, couldn't you say the pursuit of knowledge is a meaning for life? Also, I like that quote, although it reflects badly on me: right now I'm looking for comfort as well as truth.

DrBubbaLove:
I'm going to press you a bit. If I said that I am here to make things better for those around me and those that follow me, is that a reason for living? It's one that doesn't require God's presence, I think. Also, I'm going to try doing that mirror thing. I need all the love I can get right now. :sigh:
 
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I've prayed for a various things, including asking God to help me find him. You're saying that my Sin will prevent him from acknowledging me until I believe in him?

I think asking God to help you find Him is a request God will answer even while you have unrepented sin in your life. This is one of a very few prayers He will answer while sin stands in the way between Him and the one praying to Him. His answer, though, will necessarily involve dealing with your sin. Are you willing for Him to do that? Is this really what you want? I ask because very often people approach God intending that He meet them on their terms. This isn't something that He will do. He's God, after all; we must meet Him on His terms. And a genuine meeting with Him will change you profoundly.

What if I can't believe without an acknowledgment? It's not a matter of making demands of God, I wouldn't presume to do that.

Aren't you demanding an "acknowledgement" from God? Seems like it to me...

I know that prayer isn't supposed to turn God into some sort of magical talisman that makes you win the lottery or diverts hurricanes from your house. It goes back to my main question. It may be difficult to to empathize with how I see things, but I can't make that leap of faith from nothing to something without an imputes of some kind.

You can't make a leap from "nothing to something"? Hmmm... Do you really not see God in the beauty, complexity, order, balance and magnificence of the universe? Is the intricacy of the human eye, or the vastness of space, or the flaming brilliance of a sunset "nothing" to you? Do these not communicate something of God to you at all? What about the one-of-a-kind book the Bible? Are you aware of the uniqueness of it? Do you know that in all of written history there is no book that comes close to comparing to the Bible? In content, authorship, preservation, popularity and language the Bible stands without peer. Is this "nothing" to you?

It's not part of how my mind works. So if God ignores me until I believe in him, he made my mind in such a way that he'll never look at me.

How can you say in the same sentence that God both made you and ignores you? Is the inconsistency of this not apparent to you? Christ said,

Luke 12:6-7 (KJV)
6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: you are of more value than many sparrows.

I did not mean to say that God has blinded Himself to your existence. I meant to say that God will not hear the prayers of one who has not first humbled himself before Him and repented of his sin. God is intensely interested in what is going on with you, as He is with all those whom He has made. But He is a holy God, the Bible tells us, and insists upon us being likewise holy before we can fellowship with Him.

YOu must also understand that the argument that God made you the way you are will not stand up under His judgment.

Romans 1:18-21 (NKJV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

John 3:16-20 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.


Peace.
 
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DrBubbaLove:
I'm going to press you a bit. If I said that I am here to make things better for those around me and those that follow me, is that a reason for living? It's one that doesn't require God's presence, I think. Also, I'm going to try doing that mirror thing. I need all the love I can get right now. :sigh:
Yes, a reason for living and you are loved. The question of God's presence is another matter. He is there whether we know it or not. Keep asking priests and ministers, keeping in mind they are human too!
 
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