Would a Utah State Dollar be a good idea?

dgiharris said:

I feel like this country has been beset by a type of "argument" that apparently tends to work well on the masses. Apparently, all you have to do is point out a problem with something and by default ANYTHING you come up with that opposes that something just must be better.

Nevermind that the thing you came up with has more problems than a screen door on a submarine... No, all that matters is that the original thing you are arguing against has problems...

I also feel that the masses can't think at the macro level. Too often, people envision their small little circle of friends and neighborhood and can't think beyond that. A local based currency is a cute idea, I give you my personal currency good for tacos and donuts and you give me your personal currency good for an oil change at your auto shop.

But as you "scale up" you run into problems really really quickly.

Tell me, how well would a Florida based currency have worked when the hurricane swept through them? What about a Kansas based currency when they hit a drought? What about a Nevada based currency when that state is in the middle of fighting for water with California? What about when one State feels that the other State is overvaluing their currency or vice versa?

And I'm not even scratching the surface for why State based currencies would be a bad idea. Seriously, all the energy you are putting into this notion of State or Church based currencies would be better served arguing for crypto currency like Bitcoins.

Now that is an argument worth having and it is kinda exciting to watch bitcoins develop and try to forge a seat at the table vs the entrenched and well established blue haired banking industry...

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City in Austria Printed Local Currency

Worgl, like many other European towns and cities, was hit hard by the Great Depression. There was mass unemployment; four of the five local factories had closed, and the people were starving in the streets. Nobody had any money to buy anything. One of the features of an economic depression is that there is not enough money in circulation to ensure that people can meet their basic needs, and in the 1930s, the shortage of currency in many countries of the world became catastrophic.

The mayor of Worgl, together with local businessmen, decided to try to break this economic impasse by creating their own local currency. They printed and issued 60,000 Austrian shillings worth of local currency. These shillings could only be spent in Worgl, so they remained in the local community and were exchanged over and over again.

The positive impact was immediate and surprising to everyone. In only six weeks, unemployment disappeared, all the factories had reopened and everyone had food. For the inhabitants of Worgl, the economic depression was gone. This dramatic transformation became known as the “miracle of Worgl.” Surrounding towns, inspired by the success of Worgl, immediately started printing their own local currencies.

Sadly, the miracle did not last long. When the Austrian Central Bank heard about Worgl’s local currency, they initiated legal proceedings against the mayor and local businessmen. According to Austrian banking law, it was illegal for anyone except the Austrian Central Bank to issue money. The bank won the court case, and the mayor was ordered to shut down the local currency, which he did, under threat of imprisonment. The town then returned to the devastating economic depression of the 1930s, with all the human pain and suffering associated with this catastrophe. Factories closed, and once again, the people starved.

Alternative Currency in the U.S.

Irving Fisher, an American professor of economics at Yale University, visited Worgl before the local currency was suppressed and witnessed the ‘miracle’ firsthand. When he returned to the United States, Fisher spread the word by traveling and lecturing across the country, advocating the use of the Worgl ‘scrip’ everywhere. Inspired by his vision, hundreds of communities began issuing their own currency, and by 1934 there were over 1,000 local communities using ‘scrip’ throughout the U.S.

Every one of these communities experienced a tremendous rejuvenation of their local economies. They thrived while others suffered. Fisher then met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, proposing the implementation of government-sanctioned local ‘scrip’ in every community in America. When FDR consulted with his top financial advisors and bankers, however, he was advised to shut all the ‘scrip’ systems down, which he did. Instead, he borrowed large amounts of money from bankers, at interest, and used it to pay for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the other work-creation projects, which collectively came to be known as the ‘New Deal.’ So ended the last widespread use of a local currency within the U.S.

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Nithavela said:

So.. who is this second shadow organisation that is giving "them" rules on how to implement the scary scary one world government?

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dgiharris said:

I really have no idea what you are talking about above...

but what I will say is that what turns people "to god" isn't a bunch of ramblings about what so-in-so saw in a dream and statements about empires thousands of years old...

No. What turns people to god is when they see Christians being the Christians Jesus would have us be. Being filled with light and love and forgiveness and being a living testament to all things good and righteous and doing so in a manner that is nonjudgmental.

People see that you are happy and fulfilled and they think to themselves, "wow, I want that..."

Instead, I see too many Christians filled with anger and hate and opposition of equal rights as well as opposing basic scientific truths and this pushes people away from Christianity...

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But Soros still seems very much trapped within the left/right paradigm and he seems absolutely obsessed with destroying the Republican Party. For example, Soros spent an insane amount of money attempting to defeat George W. Bush back in 2004. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, George Soros donated $23,581,000during that election cycle to political organizations that were trying to keep Bush from being reelected.

Soros has also been a tremendous backer of Barack Obama, although lately Soros seems a bit disenchanted with him. Through organizations such as the Center for American Progress and MoveOn.org, Soros is constantly trying to influence the state of American politics.

So what is George Soros thinking about these days? Well, in the video posted below you will see Soros discussing “an orderly decline” of the U.S. dollar, the coming global currency and the importance of the New World Order….

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Fireball1244 said:

States are not Constitutionally capable of issuing their own legal currency.

Some localities issue "barter notes," but those are not legal currency, no one has to accept them. A currency that no one has to accept is of little value.

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The Spirit of God says, I have chosen this man, Donald Trump, for such a time as this. For as Benjamin Netanyahu is to Israel, so shall this man be to the United States of America! For I will use this man to bring honor, respect and restoration to America. America will be respected once again as the most powerful and prosperous nation on earth, (other than Israel). The dollar will be the strongest it has ever been in the history of the United States, and will once again be the currency by which all others are judged. The Spirit of God says, the enemy will quake and shake and fear this man I have anointed [1].

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pyramid33 said:

Yes, states should immediately constitute their own currency to break away from the slave driven normal. Immediately.

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Tanj said:

Hmm, is resurrecting your own thread auto-necrotica?

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Tanj said:

Hmm, is resurrecting your own thread auto-necrotica?

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3. The future is not fixed and can change

During Karen Schaeffer's NDE, she was shown her children's future as it would exist if she decided to remain in the light. Because she decided to return, the future she was shown did not happen. This suggests that the future is always changing from moment to moment based upon our current actions and decisions. This principle supports quantum mechanic principles.

One of Margot Grey's NDE research subjects stated:


"During my experience ... I was also shown events that are likely to happen in the near future, but was made to understand that nothing is absolutely fixed and that everything depends on how we choose to use our own free will, that even those events that are already predestined can be changed or modified by a change in our own way of relating to them." (Grey, 1985, p. 123)

NDE experiencer Howard Storm was given information on how the future is not fixed:


"We have free will. If we change the way we are, then we can change the future which they showed me. They showed me a view of the future, at the time of my experience, based upon how we in the United States were behaving at that time. It was a future in which a massive worldwide depression would occur. If we were to change our behavior, however, then the future would be different." (Howard Storm)

Howard Storm was also told how a single person can change the world:


"All it takes to make a change was one person. One person, trying, and then because of that, another person changing for the better. They said that the only way to change the world was to begin with one person. One will become two, which will become three, and so on. That's the only way to affect a major change" (Howard Storm)

During Ricky Randolph's NDE, he was told virtually the same thing:


"You must return and help others to change by changing your life!" (Ricky Randolph)

Dannion Brinkley was told how the future is conditional upon human beings:


"If you follow what you have been taught and keep living the same way you have lived the last thirty years, all of this will surely be upon you. If you change, you can avoid the coming war. If you follow this dogma, the world by the year 2004 will not be the same one you now know. But it can still be changed and you can help change it." (Dannion Brinkley)


Brinkley was also told that the future is not cast in stone:


"The flow of human events can be changed, but first people have to know what they are." (Dannion Brinkley)


Brinkley also gives the following advice on how people can change the world:


"The quickest way to change the world is to be of service to others. Show that your love can make a difference in the lives of people and thereby someone else's love can make a difference in your life. By each of us doing that and working together we change the world one inner person at a time." (Dannion Brinkley)

During Dr. George Ritchie's NDE, Jesus said that Ritchie had 45 years to accomplish a particular mission:


"It is left to humanity which direction they shall choose. I came to this planet to show you through the life I led how to love. Without our Father you can do nothing, neither could I. I showed you this. You have 45 years." (Dr. George Ritchie)

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

Yahweh's Word has always warned what is happening, and what He is doing Himself or Will Do about all this.

The real 'Christians', as written, do not go along with the beast system, world system, or worldly ways of thinking , but instead are renewed in Christ Jesus, as Yahweh Says, and as Yahweh accomplishes....
The real 'Christians' in the New Testament are 'continually' what ? ---
afraid ?
no
in danger/ of beatings, arrest and execution?
yes
anxious ?
no
anxious for nothing ?
yes
doubting ?
no
full (daily) of immeasurable righteousness, peace AND joy ?
yes

Still true today, as it was then.

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