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Would a Utah State Dollar be a good idea?

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Billionaire George Soros is calling for the devaluation of the USA dollar.

A Utah State Dollar could in theory so well back up the USA Dollar…. that the upheaval in the lives of Americans is kept to a minimum in the event that he gets his wish.
 

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Rabbi Jesus/ Yeshua advocated that we "agree with our adversary" and frankly…… George Soros has a few good points in his theories.




George Soros says that America must give up the dollar and accept world currency .examiner.com/article/george-soros-says-that-america-must-give-up-the-dollar-and-accept-world-currency


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Soros also seemed a bit uncomfortable as he discussed "an orderly decline" of the U.S. dollar.

Soros has been saying the the U.S. dollar needs to go down for quite a while now, and he speaks of the coming fall of the dollar as if it is inevitable.
 
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I must admit that a Utah State Dollar has many advantages over a currency unit that could be put out there by a church:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7701455/
North American churches should each have their own currency!
I am of the belief that each large church in North America should discuss the printing up of their own church currency unit such as has been done by a group of socially active citizens in Calgary, Canada with their CalgaryDollars.ca

Here is a good article on how important local currencies were during the Great Depression:


Whatcom Watch Online - Story Display


Surely everybody who reads this article would agree that we have many advantages over the people who lived in Worgl, Austria during the Great Depression?!

If they can do it....why can't we?

Here in Canada the only problem that we have to watch out for is that we must pay the same rate of taxation if we earn Calgary Dollars as if we had earned Canadian dollars....so we have to keep our level of bartering at the point where our tax bill doesn't get to high.....but if we volunteered our time and our church earned a local currency from another church....it could be amazing where this could lead!
 
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States are not Constitutionally capable of issuing their own legal currency.

Some localities issue "barter notes," but those are not legal currency, no one has to accept them. A currency that no one has to accept is of little value.
 
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This is Article I, Section 10:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

A state can't coin its own money. But it can require that only gold and silver be used as legal tender. The original language in the Constitution actually requires it. (Though I think SCOTUS rulings and federal law have allowed for fiat currency.) I'm sure that a modern gold/silver-based currency wouldn't involve coins. You're probably keep your stash of gold and silver in a depository, and you'd pay with a electronic transfer of ownership for the amount of your debt. A potential problem is that gold and silver values fluctuate so much. So prices might also fluctuate. Imagine if the price of all the goods and services you bought swung up and down daily--or even hourly--like gasoline does.
 
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Wow!!!!!

I didn't know about this!

I wonder if this dates back to the fact that the thirteen original states all had their own currencies back around 1750?
 
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Yes, states should immediately constitute their own currency to break away from the slave driven normal. Immediately.


I agree Pyramid33…….

Apparently each of the 13 original states had their own "scrip" back in 1750….. but it worked so well….. that pressure would be placed on politicians to make sure that it didn't happen again…..



 
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I'm aware otherwise. Colorado is free to give marijauna for any price it choose's. Free trade.

Do you mean as a pain killer for people who have a terminal illness?
 
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There is a warning here to most residents of Utah......
that in my opinion should not be ignored.........

I wanted to put this here so that I could find this again easily.... the warning is around the thirty two minute mark.......

 
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This will give you a hint about the nature of the warning.......
on at least one level......


Did Paul consider himself a "sinner", are we supposed to think of ourselves as sinners...?


 
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there is a reason why a soap bubble is round..

there is a reason why there is strength in unity...

If States developed their own currency it would undermine the Dollar.

Part of the value of the dollar is the collective delusion we all share regarding its security and value. Because we all share this group delusion the dollar has "X" amount of value. This delusion is very fragile, it wouldn't take much to completely shatter the illusion.

States developing their own currency would quickly do just that, it would undermine the foundation of the dollar. And as such, would be a horrifically bad idea...
 
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This is a valid point.....
that is certainly one important part of the formula but
certain things are happening that could make a State currency that is backed up by
volunteerism by Latter Day Saints very useful over the coming two to five years.


https://totalwealthresearch.com/ric...-gamble-bet-u-s-collapse-warns-cia-economist/


Buffett’s $55 Billion Gamble is a Bet on U.S. Collapse, Warns CIA Economist
 
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Basically.... I am not laughing at Pastor Shane Warren's dream because it fits so well with the fact that there are 4.3 Trillion USA Petro-dollars out there at this time that a lot of influential people are talking about using to attempt to devalue the dollar...... I believe their plan will fail but this is an important issue to pray about and be prepared for.

 
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The prediction by retired fireman Mark Taylor from 2011 implies that the George Soros / Warren Buffet plan will fail ..... but it is still a serious issue.


Retired fireman Mark Taylor:


 
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Anyone who thinks that a state-level currency or a commodities-backed currency is a good idea needs to take a look at history and not base their opinions off of 5 minute diatribes by people on Ron Paul's Facebook feed.

Are there problems with the Fed? Yes, however, that doesn't mean that any old alternative must be "better" by default.
 
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I feel like this country has been beset by a type of "argument" that apparently tends to work well on the masses. Apparently, all you have to do is point out a problem with something and by default ANYTHING you come up with that opposes that something just must be better.

Nevermind that the thing you came up with has more problems than a screen door on a submarine... No, all that matters is that the original thing you are arguing against has problems...

I also feel that the masses can't think at the macro level. Too often, people envision their small little circle of friends and neighborhood and can't think beyond that. A local based currency is a cute idea, I give you my personal currency good for tacos and donuts and you give me your personal currency good for an oil change at your auto shop.

But as you "scale up" you run into problems really really quickly.

Tell me, how well would a Florida based currency have worked when the hurricane swept through them? What about a Kansas based currency when they hit a drought? What about a Nevada based currency when that state is in the middle of fighting for water with California? What about when one State feels that the other State is overvaluing their currency or vice versa?

And I'm not even scratching the surface for why State based currencies would be a bad idea. Seriously, all the energy you are putting into this notion of State or Church based currencies would be better served arguing for crypto currency like Bitcoins.

Now that is an argument worth having and it is kinda exciting to watch bitcoins develop and try to forge a seat at the table vs the entrenched and well established blue haired banking industry...
 
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I hope Mr. Soros realizes the magnitude of the forces he's challenging. I can only wonder what objectives he has in mind by doing this.

He and many other globalists believe that the USA Dollar must be replaced as the world's reserve currency in order for them to introduce other aspects of a one world government.
 
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