worship service; jumping up and down

[Glenda]

I LOVE that! We do it every year at Passover. The church I went to when I was a little girl had a Jewish dance team...it was fantastic!

I'd love to see that too.. and the jitterbuggers!

My Pastors are from Puerto Rico.. (long story as to how they got to Vermont of all places--Let's just say "It's a God thing" )

And the Fire is ablazing.. When Gloryvee dances for the Lord, she have to check if her feet are still on the floor..

She's still working with us Upstate NYers & VTers.. and my 2 left feet...

 

[janny108]

The last time someone got disgusted about how her husband worshipped God, she was barren the rest of her life.

Know who I am speaking of?

Never poke fun or judge another man's worship or praise to God.

Yeah, I know of the record. But you can't isolate one scripture to make a point either. I was writing because I did not know if anyone had seen this done.

Jan

 

[janny108]

How funny - I have just put that very comment - word for word - in a PowerPoint presentation I'm using in a flag worship workshop a couple of weeks hence!!

How do you know what is of the spirit and what is a fleshly response? ex. I gotta do it cause I will look weird if I don't. I guess God knows the motives of every worshipper and He knows what is real and what is not.

Jan

 

[janny108]

Before God delivered me from WoF, I saw this many times and even did it, myself.

It's Unbiblical. The Bible says that worship should be both reverent and orderly. If people want to jump up and down, then they should go home and buy a trampoline.

Such histrionics don't belong in worship.

Interesting point.
Jan

 

[flaglady]

How do you know what is of the spirit and what is a fleshly response? ex. I gotta do it cause I will look weird if I don't. I guess God knows the motives of every worshipper and He knows what is real and what is not.
Jan

Sometimes I don't. Most times I have to trust my instincts and act on what I believe I am being 'told' in my heart. Personally, I will only know if it's of the Spirit once I have started (or stopped). Feedback from the Spirit is unmistakable. And I rarely act on such things because of how others would think of me. In my church, most of the time people are too busy worshipping to see what I'm doing anyway!! As I discovered when I did a workshop and people from my own church were saying how lovely the flags were - and I'd been doing them that way for 2-3 years!!

However - not quite sure how your question relates to the quote that you used????

 

[NacDan]

David danced so much to the lord that his wife got mad at him for being undignified and revealing himself to the maidservants. there, biblical

Whoa...never met a charismatic Adventist before!

Danny

 

[JimB]

You give off the impression that it is wrong/weird/unbiblical/stupid to do "unusual" things in church.

I would probably want to rephrase that to say, It is wrong to do weird/unbiblical/stupid things in church.

Sincerely,
~Kareem O'Weet

 

[NacDan]

The point is, even with out the word in there, the verses should be read in context to get the meaning, not just one verse taken out of its setting.

The "point" is that if one is going to make an argument using one specific word (which, incidently, is what happend in the post I referenced), one should make sure that the one word is actually applicable. The post I referred to made a point to highlight the word, "therefore" to make an argument. Since "therefore" is not actually in the posted scripture (it was added by translators for clarification but is not included in other translations), it is invalid for the sake of that particular argument, whether that argument is valid or not.

Danny

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

I don't see anywhere in the Word where it says you have to be quiet, and not show your joy when worshipping the Lord. I read the exact opposite-it says to make a joyful noise, and to dance. God wants us to experience Him, and when we have the joy of the Lord that dwells within us, who can contain it?
To come against it, and say we must remain in this quiet, reverant state at all times is wrong. There is a time for that, and as a congregation, there are many times we fall silent before the Lord, and just stand and wait on Him, and those times are marvelous, but there are also times when we shout, and sing, and dance, as His presence fills us, and His joy within us just comes to the surface.
To judge that as wrong goes against what scripture tells us to do.

 

[Godslilgurlalways]

The last time someone got disgusted about how her husband worshipped God, she was barren the rest of her life.

Know who I am speaking of?

Never poke fun or judge another man's worship or praise to God.

Not sure who your talking about but do agree

 

[Godslilgurlalways]

People jump in my church all the time.

Agreed

 

[J4Jesus]

The "point" is that if one is going to make an argument using one specific word (which, incidently, is what happend in the post I referenced), one should make sure that the one word is actually applicable. -------------------------------

No I wasnt making an argument. I addressed no one . You were the one who addressed me but I refuse to argue with you about it ,for it does no good.I was giving my opinon concerning the subject on this thread, based on one of many verses in the Bible. I have my opinion and you have yours, so have a nice day

 

[PastorMikeJ]

sure glad that I go to a living church that people praise, sing, dance, shoutand jump up and down in worship of the Lord!!!!!

If they didn't they would remind me why I stopping going to church in my younger days!! it was more fun to go to parties, concerts, and peace marches then it was to go church and sleep...

why should the devil have all the fun!!!!!

 

[NacDan]

No I wasnt making an argument. I addressed no one . You were the one who addressed me but I refuse to argue with you about it ,for it does no good.I was giving my opinon concerning the subject on this thread, based on one of many verses in the Bible. I have my opinion and you have yours, so have a nice day

I'm pretty sure that I never once referred to you directly or accused you specifically of doing anything. I don't even remember if the post that brought on this little rabbit trail was posted by you or not.

What I posted about the validity of an argument has nothing to do with opinion. It is simply debate technique. The post was designed to help the person that posted it to do a better job of presenting their arguement (or opinion, for that matter).

The post in question used one word in one verse (that isn't even in the Hebrew) to prove that Michal was barren as a direct result of her indignation with her husband, David. 2 Sam 6:23 does not say that Michal was barren. It states that she never had children. We can only speculate as to the reason. It is just as valid to think she didn't have children because her and her husband never attempted to procreate. David had many concubines and many children so he had no need to have relations with his wife, Michal.

You certainly are entitled to have any opinion you desire. Your opinion may even be fact. Please accept my apology for offending you. I was trying to help you make your point better.

Danny

 

[pdudgeon]

I don't see anywhere in the Word where it says you have to be quiet, and not show your joy when worshipping the Lord. I read the exact opposite-it says to make a joyful noise, and to dance. God wants us to experience Him, and when we have the joy of the Lord that dwells within us, who can contain it?
To come against it, and say we must remain in this quiet, reverant state at all times is wrong. There is a time for that, and as a congregation, there are many times we fall silent before the Lord, and just stand and wait on Him, and those times are marvelous, but there are also times when we shout, and sing, and dance, as His presence fills us, and His joy within us just comes to the surface.
To judge that as wrong goes against what scripture tells us to do.

amen to this^^^

 

[bithiah2]

No need to be sorry Sweetie..

Everyone needs to worship as the Lord leads them.. whether that is dancing.. jumping.. kneeling.. being quiet in prayer.. being quiet because your body is there but your spirit is walking & talking with God..

We just need to respect the fact that God leads us to honor, praise & worship Him in different ways..

I was raised Catholic too.. my mother used to smack me if I looked around when I was little..

So it took me a long time to feel comfortable just to raise my hands or say Alleluia..

And when the Holy Spirit began speaking to me about Flag Worship, I sat on my hands & made excuses for much too long..

I started waving flags in the back of my church.. and dancing around the vestible.. but feared going to the front..

Then I went to Streams Ministies Summer Rain last August.. and they prayed freedom over us.. and I went to Open Heavens in Connecticut the next month, and they prayed boldness, freedom, & freedom from what man thinks..

And i talked to a woman who was waving flags there.. she said "you can't lead the battle from the back."

I came back to my church on fire for Jesus.. and I went up front to one corner & started waving and dancing (with the pastor's permission)

Other women began waving flags too.. telling me that i was an inspiration to them..

And then, I believe, that because of my obedience in this, God answered my prayer..

I had prayed for a Spirit-filled church where I would be free to worship as God leads.. and Alpha & Omega fits that to a tee..

I thank the Lord for my Pastors..

I thank the Lord for leading other like minded souls to this church..

I thank the Lord for His presence among us..

I thank the Lord for His favor..

I thank God for His resources..

I thank the Lord for every breath He gives me..

I thank the Lord for putting me together across the miles with my husband..

But most of all.. I thank You, I love You & worship You, Lord.. for who You are..

i agree with that prayer in Jesus Name.
keep praising the Lord!
i went to a dance conference and learned how to dance with a flag, i never felt comfortable with a flag before. at the end of the conference we did praise with the flags, it was a blessing to dance to Yes Lord, Yes Lord ,Yes Yes Lord, Amen! with my flag. i forgot what color it was. someone else showed me how to dance with the cloth, and i also learned how to dance with the hilal streamer (gymnastic flag), i have one but never knew how to wave it the right way. i dance at church, in the back, or next to my seat in the aisle. once one of the lay ministers escorted me to the front of the church and said "go forth" and i danced in the front. but i am content to dance in the back. now when i praise the Lord i notice that other people are getting their dance on also, so i am glad to be a blessing to others.
keep on praising the Lord!

 

[bithiah2]

What if the worship leader asks them to do something they know isn't from the Holy Spirit?

And what Biblical support is there for the idea that the Holy Spirit communicates only with the worship leader or that the worship leader leads people into the Holy of Holies?

that would be an interesting study, i will have to look that one up myself. now what i believe is that the worship leader is the one who encourages the congregation to praise the Lord. but that is just what i perceive. sometimes i think people get real religious with stuff that is supposed to be simple. once i went to a church service and the person leading worship wanted everyone to wave their hands the same way, i was not really paying attention to the direction they were going and she rolled her eyes at me from the pulpit. this was a woman pastor. she was so MEAN. she said that it was warfare and that we had to all go the same way, or something like that. i didn't see it in the Bible.
she passed away not too long after that. i am not saying she died because she was mean but she did not live long after.

 

[Tenebrae]

True, but one man's worship to God, regardless if He is moved on BY THE SPIRIT or NOT, is still Holy unto the Lord and shouldn't be judged or critisized.

Who is the One being worshipped here?

Freedom is to give to God the Worship due His Name. Not by some rule or code or standard.

worship how you like yea, however respect whats ok for the church your in... If you dont like it, a person can always leave, instead of instsing that people all worship the same way they o

 

[Tenebrae]

Our new pastor's (18yr old) daughter got to lead worship on Sunday because the Worship leader was away. She kept saying "let's jump let's jump" and to be honest, I don't have a problem with people jumping, I did have a problem with her trying to say that this is how to worship. Our church is filled with many older people who don't have the ability to jump. She kept saying we should jump, we should walk around like this and it got me thinking...

Everyone has their own way of worshipping. Just because one is jumping and the other is raising their hands, or bowing down, or praying etc etc, there's no right or wrong way to worship, it's the heart that matters.

I know of quite a few people who think that when people aren't jumping etc they aren't worshipping in the "right" way. I think that is the wrong mind set.

I don't jump because holding a mic and jumping at the same time results in a few problems for me, my jeans fall down and my top comes up and trying to keep them all in the right place is too difficult - and then singing at the same time! it's just too hard!!

I certainly worship but i do it in my own style (i do move about), I know that this particular girl was trying to copy and create the atmosphere that happens in Hillsongs etc, but we all know it's not up to us to do that, our main task is to worship God, whatever happens after that is up to Him.

Sorry this turned into a bit of a rant!!

Know what ya mean, the church I came from from the front it was "come on church, raise your hands" ....... Worshipping God is just the best things, but the bible says to "worship in spirit and trut". For me worshipping God is not what someone else tells me to do

 

[Tenebrae]

You're right... some people CANNOT do what the worship leader asks them to do.

However, If a person CAN do what the worship leader is asking, then they should.

Why should they? When I was trained (at three different international worship symposiums) as a worship minister, I was taught that the Holy Spirit leads the worship leader. The worship leader communicates that to the congregation. The congregation follows the worship leader, and the worship leader leads them into the Holy of Holies. It behooves me as a member of the congregation to participate in whatever the Holy Spirit is leading the worship leader to do.

Of course, that's the ideal and sometimes we fall short of that.

I dont agree with this

It inmplies that the holy spirit only speaks to the worship leader. What ever happened to all believers being a royal priesthood and being able as a believer to come directly into the throneroom of God. we do not need to have a go between for us and God....

The most beautiful worship services I have been in were those in which the Holy Spirit led us all into the Holy of Holies together. We worshipped as one unit, all feeling the prompting together to shout, to be quiet, to dance, to sing in the spirit, to wait for a word from God. Our worship leader was the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, those types of services are less likely to happen in larger groups

I've expereinced a similar, also the worship leader and any other singers would also have their mikes quietened, during those times, as to not be a distraction for the congregation

It didnt matter than 200 people were all singing different songs to God, it was like one amazing harmony.