worship service; jumping up and down

[FireOfGod]

By the way, I never said anything about being slain the spirit. Here is that religious spirit manifesting. The anti-religious religion. Oy... Drives me crazy... Ya'll just jump to the thing you are most against and put words in my mouth. >_<

 

[Christina M]

We wouldn't kick you out, but we would counsel you.

If it became disruptive and you refused to stop, then we would consider removing you.

Thank God we don't go to your church!

Sounds awfully religious and pharisical.

 

[MikeMcK]

Since when are WOF and jumping considered one in the same???????

I don't recall anyone saying that they are.

You make WOF sound like some terrible disease one needs to be delivered from.

My prayer is that everyone in that movement is delivered from it.

For someone so intent on people getting their facts straight, and to not judge, gossip or spread rumors, you should be careful not to be so broad-stroked in your descriptions.

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And you might actually have a point, if only I had said the things you're accusing me of.

 

[Christina M]

Funny, they managed to do it in the NT. They managed to do it for nearly the first 2,000 years of the church. Most churches still manage just fine.

Proverbs 14:4
An empty stable stays clean, but no income comes from an empty stable.

 

[FireOfGod]

If it is Unbiblical, then it is, by definition, not worshipping in spirit and in truth.

Funny, they managed to do it in the NT. They managed to do it for nearly the first 2,000 years of the church. Most churches still manage just fine.

How is it unbiblical to jump? Is it unbiblical to eat french fries and milk shakes because it isn't in the Bible? Is it unbiblical to have a projector screen because it isn't biblical?

So tell me... Were you in these meeting in the NT? If you were, I'd love to hear about how everyone sat quietly in their pews, staring at the ground, tired and bored. The Bible tells us to be orderly. To YOU orderly means quiet and still. Sorry to burst your bubble, but YOU AREN'T GOD. YOU DON'T MAKE THE CALLS ON HOW PEOPLE WORSHIP.

 

[Christina M]

I rebuke every religious, self-righteous devil in Jesus' name.

I second that rebuke!

 

[MikeMcK]

How is it unbiblical to jump?

First of all, as you very well know, I was referring to the Unbiblical practice of being "slain in the spirit", not to jumping.

But, since you brought up jumping, I've already explained to you several times now that the Bible tells us that worship is to be done in order and reverence.

So tell me... Were you in these meeting in the NT?

No, but those who wrote the NT were.

To YOU orderly means quiet and still.

No, actually, it doesn't. If you had bothered to ask, rather than just to assume, you might have known what I believe order means.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but YOU AREN'T GOD. YOU DON'T MAKE THE CALLS ON HOW PEOPLE WORSHIP.

But God does and God has already made the call. Or, is God not God, according to you?

I rebuke every religious, self-righteous devil in Jesus' name.

Well, aren't you precious.

 

[FireOfGod]

First of all, as you very well know, I was referring to the Unbiblical practice of being "slain in the spirit", not to jumping.

But, since you brought up jumping, I've already explained to you several times now that the Bible tells us that worship is to be done in order and reverence.



No, but those who wrote the NT were.



No, actually, it doesn't. If you had bothered to ask, rather than just to assume, you might have known what I believe order means.



But God does and God has already made the call. Or, is God not God, according to you?



Well, aren't you precious.

I was never talking about being "slain in the Spirit". I never even said "Slain in the spirit". Don't put words in my mouth.

I am blessed. I will worship God for the rest of my life, even if it includes jumping and dancing. I will be a drunk in the Spirit because it just happens. I will get people healed. I will raise the dead. I will cast out devils. And I will do it all whatever way God wants.

Since when is rebuking some devil precious? You're cute... Too bad Christianity isn't all that "cute", huh? Find another hobby, buddy. You're not accomplishing anything here.

 

[MikeMcK]

I will worship God for the rest of my life, even if it includes jumping and dancing. I will be a drunk in the Spirit because it just happens. I will get people healed. I will raise the dead. I will cast out devils. And I will do it all whatever way God wants.

And if God says that He doesn't want it that way, you'll just do it whatever way you want and tell yourself that that's what God wants.

Find another hobby, buddy.

And therein lies the difference. Walking with Christ is not a hobby to me.

 

[nephilimiyr]

And which Psalms do you believe teach jumping up and down?

Any of them that mentions dancing.

Psalm 150 1 Praise the LORD. [a]
Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens.

2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness.
3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre,
4 praise him with tambourine and dancing,
praise him with the strings and flute,
5 praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals. 6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD.

Let me guess, you're not only against dancing too but feel you're an authority on what should be considered as dance?

Alot of people consider ballet as dance when I don't but I don't condemn them for doing it nor do I insist that they stop useing the term.

Here, my Websters dictionary states the 3rd definition of dance as, and I quote, "to bob up and down". Def. #4, to be stirred into rapid movement, as leaves in a wind. Def. #6, rapid, lively movement. Mike, it is not for you to decide who is dancing and who isn't!

As I've already pointed out, the Bible tells us that worship is to be orderly and reverent.

You need to do alot more explaining then that. What makes you think you get to decide what is orderly and what isn't? When Paul was talking about orderly worship he was talking about people speaking in tongues all the time without anyone giving time for interpretation plus people constantly speaking in tongues and interupting the service. Your probable definition fails compared to what the Bible says.

And under what possible definition of "reverent" is jumping up and down considered to be "reverent"?

Please show me useing scripture where it states that the Church service is to be nothing but showing reverence to God.

 

[nephilimiyr]

And if God says that He doesn't want it that way, you'll just do it whatever way you want and tell yourself that that's what God wants.

I'm getting a little impatient here with your vague summaries on how we here are all worshipping God in a way He doesn't want. Please I ask you, I implore you, if you are going to be making such accusations to please back them up with scripture, not personal opinion.

And therein lies the difference. Walking with Christ is not a hobby to me.

FireOfGod was not referring to your walk with Christ MikeMck but referring to your attitude in how you want to tell everybody that they are not worshipping God in the way He wants us to worship Him.

 

[bithiah2]

The last time someone got disgusted about how her husband worshipped God, she was barren the rest of her life.

Know who I am speaking of?

Never poke fun or judge another man's worship or praise to God.

from bithiah2

 

[Shizzle]

David danced so much to the lord that his wife got mad at him for being undignified and revealing himself to the maidservants. there, biblical

 

[bithiah2]

Before God delivered me from WoF, I saw this many times and even did it, myself.

It's Unbiblical. The Bible says that worship should be both reverent and orderly. If people want to jump up and down, then they should go home and buy a trampoline.

Such histrionics don't belong in worship.

the bible says that ALL things are to be done, decently and in order according to I Cor 14:40 and is referring to the gifts of the Spirit, not praise...the Bible does not say anywhere that we are supposed to have a certain way to praise God. if you beleive the entire Bible then you have to believe that the psalms are really our instructions on praise. Psalms 145 all the way to 150 tell us how to praise the Lord. now if you are quiet, that is between you and the Lord. if you jump, sing, clap, shout or dance (like me) then as long as it is done in Spirit and Truth according to what Christ says in John 4 then it is acceptable to God and what man has to say about it really is a non-issue. please don't fall into the trap of telling someone else how they can praise God when you don't know where He brought them from. and...worship is a lifestyle and a habit, not something we wait to do at church. we show our worship to God with how we speak, act and even think, and even how we post to others on this forum.
as far as moshing, i don't get that, i don't believe that God would call anyone do to something that would cause someone else to be injured or to injure themselves. as far as being 'slain' God can knock somebody down or do what He wants but a lot of that is just action and reaction, and not the Lord.
so everybody get your praise on!!!

blessings
bithiah2

 

[nephilimiyr]

the bible says that ALL things are to be done, decently and in order according to I Cor 14:40 and is referring to the gifts of the Spirit, not praise...the Bible does not say anywhere that we are supposed to have a certain way to praise God. if you beleive the entire Bible then you have to believe that the psalms are really our instructions on praise. Psalms 145 all the way to 150 tell us how to praise the Lord. now if you are quiet, that is between you and the Lord. if you jump, sing, clap, shout or dance (like me) then as long as it is done in Spirit and Truth according to what Christ says in John 4 then it is acceptable to God and what man has to say about it really is a non-issue. please don't fall into the trap of telling someone else how they can praise God when you don't know where He brought them from. and...worship is a lifestyle and a habit, not something we wait to do at church. we show our worship to God with how we speak, act and even think, and even how we post to others on this forum.
as far as moshing, i don't get that, i don't believe that God would call anyone do to something that would cause someone else to be injured or to injure themselves. as far as being 'slain' God can knock somebody down or do what He wants but a lot of that is just action and reaction, and not the Lord.
so everybody get your praise on!!!

 

[J4Jesus]

JUST FYI and since we're being pedantic about this, the word, "therefore" is NOT in the Hebrew manuscripts. It ("therefore") was added by the translators of the KJV. Many other translations (such as the New American Standard Version, a very 'word for word' translation) don't have the word, "therefore" in that sentance.

Danny

The point is, even with out the word in there, the verses should be read in context to get the meaning, not just one verse taken out of its setting.

 

[beehoney]

sure have, seen it many times

So have I. It's quite commonplace.

 

[Jillymac]

Our new pastor's (18yr old) daughter got to lead worship on Sunday because the Worship leader was away. She kept saying "let's jump let's jump" and to be honest, I don't have a problem with people jumping, I did have a problem with her trying to say that this is how to worship. Our church is filled with many older people who don't have the ability to jump. She kept saying we should jump, we should walk around like this and it got me thinking...

Everyone has their own way of worshipping. Just because one is jumping and the other is raising their hands, or bowing down, or praying etc etc, there's no right or wrong way to worship, it's the heart that matters.

I know of quite a few people who think that when people aren't jumping etc they aren't worshipping in the "right" way. I think that is the wrong mind set.

I don't jump because holding a mic and jumping at the same time results in a few problems for me, my jeans fall down and my top comes up and trying to keep them all in the right place is too difficult - and then singing at the same time! it's just too hard!!

I certainly worship but i do it in my own style (i do move about), I know that this particular girl was trying to copy and create the atmosphere that happens in Hillsongs etc, but we all know it's not up to us to do that, our main task is to worship God, whatever happens after that is up to Him.

Sorry this turned into a bit of a rant!!

 

[Glenda]

Um, because the King of kings and Lord of lords is not a rock star or football idol. When we get to heaven, our first reaction will not be to hoop and holler. &#8220;And there was silence in heaven for the space of half an hour&#8221; (Rev. 8.1).

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

You're right, He's not a rock star or a football team..

He is so much more worthy of all the praise, worship, "shouting & dancing" than we can possibly muster..

And I would respect that 1/2 hour in Heaven.. but I am on the earth at the moment.. And I am going to worship my God with all that I am firstly of who He is.. and then for all He has done for me..

If you knew where some of us "emotional worshipers" have been.. what He has brought us through.. how He alone has provided for us.. then you might have just an iota of why we get a bit "emotional" in our praise & worship of Almighty God..

 

[Glenda]

How funny - I have just put that very comment - word for word - in a PowerPoint presentation I'm using in a flag worship workshop a couple of weeks hence!!

Even though you are in the UK.. and I am in the US.. the Spirit is One, my dear flag waving sister.. another 'common' thing He has impressed on us..

That reminds me, I have to order your book..

Love you, Sis....