worship service; jumping up and down

[NacDan]

2 Samuel 6
16 Now as the ark of the LORD came into the City of David, Michal, Saul’s daughter, looked through a window and saw King David leaping and whirling before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.
17 So they brought the ark of the LORD, and set it in its place in the midst of the tabernacle that David had erected for it. Then David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD.
18 And when David had finished offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts.
19 Then he distributed among all the people, among the whole multitude of Israel, both the women and the men, to everyone a loaf of bread, a piece of meat, and a cake of raisins. So all the people departed, everyone to his house. 20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, “How glorious was the king of Israel today, uncovering himself today in the eyes of the maids of his servants, as one of the base fellows shamelessly uncovers himself!”
21 So David said to Michal, “It was before the LORD, who chose me instead of your father and all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel. Therefore I will play music before the LORD.
22 And I will be even more undignified than this, and will be humble in my own sight. But as for the maidservants of whom you have spoken, by them I will be held in honor.”
23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.


The word 'therefore' shows what is said is connected, related to, the results of, what was before it. I believe its true what I have heard some say, that " When you see the word "therefore" look at the verses before that to see what it's there for".

JUST FYI and since we're being pedantic about this, the word, "therefore" is NOT in the Hebrew manuscripts. It ("therefore") was added by the translators of the KJV. Many other translations (such as the New American Standard Version, a very 'word for word' translation) don't have the word, "therefore" in that sentance.

Danny

 

[nephilimiyr]

Luke 19:37-40

And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in he name of the Lord: peace in heaven and glory in the highest. And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace the stones would immediately cry out.

If you must keep silence, please do not expect the Lord to rebuke those who cannot contain their peace for expressing the glory of the Lord in the loudest, most boisterous way!

Perhaps these in the multitude should have consulted the texts and analyzed to death whether or not they should praise the Lord in a loud voice. Perhaps they could not or else the ROCKS would CRY OUT!

And, mind you, they were IN PUBLIC!

This reminds me of that song "Aint gonna let no rock take my place".

 

[MikeMcK]

Has anyone heard of church where in worship some people are jumping up and down? The first time I saw that in church, it made me think people were on pogo sticks...! LOL
Jan

Before God delivered me from WoF, I saw this many times and even did it, myself.

It's Unbiblical. The Bible says that worship should be both reverent and orderly. If people want to jump up and down, then they should go home and buy a trampoline.

Such histrionics don't belong in worship.

 

[habeas]

This reminds me of that song "Aint gonna let no rock take my place".

That is precisely how I feel sometimes! I am a very quiet person, but I cannot contain my praise. I've tried to clamp my hands over my mouth, I try to quench the spirit, but do you know what the Lord has done for me? I CAN'T CONTAIN MY PRAISE!

ALLELUIA!

(JUMPING UP AND DOWN)

Thank You Jesus!

 

[habeas]

This reminds me of that song "Aint gonna let no rock take my place".

And, don't forget Shane Barnard's "Rocks Won't Cry." I love Jesus so much.

Sorry if I have offended anyone.

 

[nephilimiyr]

It's Unbiblical.

I think the people here have proven it to be biblical by the Psalms they have quoted. Worship can be very active and lively.

The Bible says that worship should be both reverent and orderly.

Could you please show me in the Bible where jumping up and down in worship to God is condemned? If you can't then please stop judgeing people and their way of worship. Just because you believe that you can't show reverence to God by jumping up and down doesn't mean you should force that view upon anyone else.

 

[MikeMcK]

I think the people here have proven it to be biblical by the Psalms they have quoted.

And which Psalms do you believe teach jumping up and down?

Could you please show me in the Bible where jumping up and down in worship to God is condemned?

As I've already pointed out, the Bible tells us that worship is to be orderly and reverent.

Just because you believe that you can't show reverence to God by jumping up and down doesn't mean you should force that view upon anyone else.

And under what possible definition of "reverent" is jumping up and down considered to be "reverent"?

 

[NacDan]

I don't think it's true worship unless there's fried chicken at the potluck dinner following service.

Danny

 

[FallingWaters]

Has anyone heard of church where in worship some people are jumping up and down? The first time I saw that in church, it made me think people were on pogo sticks...! LOL
Jan

Yes. I used to belong to a church like that in another state. I absolutely loved it when the whole room was worshipping God that way. Boy I miss that church.

 

[FallingWaters]

If we feel moved to "hoot & holler" for a rock star.. or a football team.. How much more should be moved to give a jump & a shout for the King of Kings.. the Lord of Lords.. The Alpha & Omega?

That is what I was taught. God is more worthy than any of those others- of ALL our praise!

 

[FallingWaters]

the "jumping up and down" is actually a form of dancing before the Lord.

 

[FireOfGod]

Yep. I personally do it a lot, as well as many others in my church.

Okay. But you need to use your God-given common sense in church moshing. I don’t mosh (i.e., jump up and down) at Wal-Mart, the grocery store, doctor’s waiting rooms, the library, symphonic concerts, university classroom lectures, funerals, wedding ceremonies and a lot of other public events where it is not well-mannered to do so, either. But I may mosh at a rock concert, pep rally, or ballgame, where it is acceptable.

I may mosh at a Penetcostal campmeeting and some live-wire Charismatic churches where it is acceptable but maybe not in a liturgical Anglican worship service where it is not.

Depends on your surroundings whether some behavior is decent and in order.

Sincerely,
~Jack Pot

Jack, you need to lighten up. Maybe have some Jack. (C'mon... it was a joke)

You give off the impression that it is wrong/weird/unbiblical/stupid to do "unusual" things in church. Like jumping up and down or getting lightheaded and stumbling a bit under the anointing and these such things. Now, I don't care what you say. But the impression of what you're saying is just that.

If one can/will jump up and down and cheer on their favorite hockey team and not get nearly that excited about Jesus, there might be something wrong. If I'm at a concert and I'm going crazy, singing and dancing, jumping and screaming because I am so in to the band, and then I'm in church and I just sit there with my eyes closed, well that just wouldn't be me. Some people do just sit and close their eyes. Nothing wrong with that. But those people are also likely to just sit and watch the game instead of really get into it.

Basically, if you get more excited over a stupid game than Jesus, something isn't right. That's just odd. Things can be descent and in order even if people get excited. No one's getting hurt or causing any trouble. What is the harm?

If I came to your church and jumped up and down and fell over "drunk" in the Spirit, what would you do? Kick me out?

Oh, and, by the way... "Moshing" isn't jumping up and down. It is to run into everyone usually in the middle of people encircling you. I've yet to see this at a church.

 

[MikeMcK]

If I came to your church and jumped up and down and fell over "drunk" in the Spirit, what would you do? Kick me out?

We wouldn't kick you out, but we would counsel you.

If it became disruptive and you refused to stop, then we would consider removing you.

 

[FireOfGod]

We wouldn't kick you out, but we would counsel you.

If it became disruptive and you refused to stop, then we would consider removing you.

Counsel me for what? Being excited about Jesus? Even if it wasn't bothering anyone and it wasn't hurting anyone?

 

[KillerV]

 

[MikeMcK]

Counsel me for what? Being excited about Jesus?

No. For engaging in the Unbiblical practice of "being slain in the spirit".

Even if it wasn't bothering anyone and it wasn't hurting anyone?

Whether it's bothering anyone or hurting anyone isn't the point. The point is whether or not such practices are justifiable from scripture.

 

[KillerV]

Yep. I personally do it a lot, as well as many others in my church.
Jack, you need to lighten up. Maybe have some Jack. (C'mon... it was a joke)

You give off the impression that it is wrong/weird/unbiblical/stupid to do "unusual" things in church. Like jumping up and down or getting lightheaded and stumbling a bit under the anointing and these such things. Now, I don't care what you say. But the impression of what you're saying is just that.

If one can/will jump up and down and cheer on their favorite hockey team and not get nearly that excited about Jesus, there might be something wrong. If I'm at a concert and I'm going crazy, singing and dancing, jumping and screaming because I am so in to the band, and then I'm in church and I just sit there with my eyes closed, well that just wouldn't be me. Some people do just sit and close their eyes. Nothing wrong with that. But those people are also likely to just sit and watch the game instead of really get into it.

Basically, if you get more excited over a stupid game than Jesus, something isn't right. That's just odd. Things can be descent and in order even if people get excited. No one's getting hurt or causing any trouble. What is the harm?

If I came to your church and jumped up and down and fell over "drunk" in the Spirit, what would you do? Kick me out?

Oh, and, by the way... "Moshing" isn't jumping up and down. It is to run into everyone usually in the middle of people encircling you. I've yet to see this at a church.

 

[FireOfGod]

No. For engaging in the Unbiblical practice of "being slain in the spirit".



Whether it's bothering anyone or hurting anyone isn't the point. The point is whether or not such practices are justifiable from scripture.

So I'm worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth, with all of my heart, body and soul, and this is unbiblical? I've not ready ANYWHERE in the Bible where it tells us what to do during worship. God's never said anything about being quiet and still. He just said worship in Spirit and in Truth.

If you want perfect order, go to a graveyard. That's the only place you'll find the kind of order you're looking for.

 

[Christina M]

Before God delivered me from WoF, I saw this many times and even did it, myself.
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Since when are WOF and jumping considered one in the same???????

Do only WOF people jump?

I know a lot of conservative WOFers who don't jump, at all.

You make WOF sound like some terrible disease one needs to be delivered from.

For someone so intent on people getting their facts straight, and to not judge, gossip or spread rumors, you should be careful not to be so broad-stroked in your descriptions.

 

[MikeMcK]

So I'm worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth, with all of my heart, body and soul, and this is unbiblical?

If it is Unbiblical, then it is, by definition, not worshipping in spirit and in truth.

If you want perfect order, go to a graveyard. That's the only place you'll find the kind of order you're looking for.

Funny, they managed to do it in the NT. They managed to do it for nearly the first 2,000 years of the church. Most churches still manage just fine.