Wormholes to Heaven.

[dad]

"Wormholes arise as solutions to the equations of Einstein's general theory of relativity. In fact, they crop up so readily in this context that some theorists are encouraged to think that real counterparts may eventually be found or fabricated and, perhaps, used for high-speed space travel and/or time travel. However, a known property of wormholes is that they are highly unstable and would probably collapse instantly if even the tiniest amount of matter, such as a single photon, attempted to pass through them. A possible way around this problem is the use of exotic matter to prevent the wormhole from pinching off."

wormhole


Physical science only knows an earth zone style physical 'universe'. Therefore their theories are limited. The concept of a door to another 'universe' however is also found in God's word. Using not strange or exotic matter that is a kissing cousin of the physical only realm, but spiritual forces. Such holes are known to be opened. Such doors are a matter of record and fact.

I glanced at a site where they were stuggling with the basic concept, and found a lot of great thoughts and verses, although of course far different conclusions.

Heavens Above


I used to lean toward a partial canopy as the source of flood water. I now lean toward the waters coming from outside what we think of as space.


What does the bible say!?

Ge 7:11 - In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Ge 8:2 - The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;


So, we have in creation week, the waters above the expanse or firmament, and the waters on earth, below. In the expanse were the stars and sun and moon.


A door or window to the third heavens was opened then, apparently.



Many other times is the doors or windows of heaven referred to also.



Examples: ....


Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

Mal 3:10 - Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.


Psa 78:23 Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, 24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.


Ezekiel 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.


Mark 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:


Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.


Since we do not know what space (the second heavens) really is far away, we cannot know distances to stars, or sizes, etc. Knowing that space may be a LOT smaller makes heaven seem a lot closer And it is amazing that man can have and has had a direct connection to the abode of the Almighty!!!

Real science can be so interesting.

 

[Incariol]

"Wormholes arise as solutions to the equations of Einstein's general theory of relativity. In fact, they crop up so readily in this context that some theorists are encouraged to think that real counterparts may eventually be found or fabricated and, perhaps, used for high-speed space travel and/or time travel. However, a known property of wormholes is that they are highly unstable and would probably collapse instantly if even the tiniest amount of matter, such as a single photon, attempted to pass through them. A possible way around this problem is the use of exotic matter to prevent the wormhole from pinching off."

wormhole


Physical science only knows an earth zone style physical 'universe'. Therefore their theories are limited. The concept of a door to another 'universe' however is also found in God's word. Using not strange or exotic matter that is a kissing cousin of the physical only realm, but spiritual forces, such holes are known to be opened. Such doors are a matter of record and fact.

I glanced at a site where they were stuggling with the basic concept, and found a lot of great thoughts and verses, although of course far different conclusions.

Heavens Above


I used to lean toward a partial canopy as the source of flood water. I now lean toward the waters coming from outside what we think of as space.


What does the bible say!?

Ge 7:11 - In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Ge 8:2 - The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;


So, we have in creation week, the waters above the expanse or firmament, and the waters on earth, below. In the expanse were the stars and sun and moon.


A door or window to the third heavens was opened then, apparently.



Many other times is the doors or windows of heaven referred to also.



Examples: ....


Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

Mal 3:10 - Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.


Psa 78:23 Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, 24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.


Ezekiel 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.


Mark 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:


Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.


Since we do not know what space (the second heavens) really is far away, we cannot know distances to stars, or sizes, etc. Knowing that space may be a LOT smaller makes heaven seem a lot closer And it is amazing that man can have and has had a direct connection to the abode of the Almighty!!!

Real science can be so interesting.

Yeah, why bother with experimentation, observation and math when you can explain everything using a Bronze Age text and "spiritual forces"?

 

[dad]

Yeah, why bother with experimentation, observation and math when you can explain everything using a Bronze Age text and "spiritual forces"?

No pouting. Just enjoy real science.

 

[Incariol]

No pouting. Just enjoy real science.

Oh I do. Unfortunately, this thread contains none.

 

[dad]

Oh I do. Unfortunately, this thread contains none.

Real science spans more than the fishbowl!

 

[Incariol]

Real science spans more than the fishbowl!

*picks fingernails*

For amusement, lets post "real science".

Radiation Pressure Force and Black Hole Mass Determination in Low-Redshift Type-I and Type-II Active Galactic Nuclei

The distributions of L([Oiii] 5007), black hole (BH) mass and L/LEdd in two large samples of
type-I and type-II active galactic nuclei (AGNs) are compared in order to test the suggestion that
radiation pressure force is affecting the gas velocity in the broad line region and hence the BH mass
determination. The samples are drawn from the SDSS archive and are modified to represent the same
parent distribution at 0.1 ≤ z ≤ 0.2. BH masses in type-I sources are calculated in two different ways,
one using a simple virial mass assumption and the other by taking into account the effect of radiation
pressure force on the gas. The simple virial mass estimate results in good agreement with the ∗-
based BH mass and L/LEdd estimates in type-II sources. In contrast, there is a clear disagreement
in the L/LEdd distributions when radiation pressure-based estimates are used. This indicates that
radiation pressure force is not important in 0.1 ≤ z ≤ 0.2 AGNs with L5100=1042.8−44.8 ergs s−1. This
has important implications to the physics of the gas producing the broad emission lines in AGNs, in
particular the existence of extremely large column density (∼ 1024 cm−2) clouds

 

[dad]

.. This has important implications to the physics of the gas producing the broad emission lines in AGNs, in particular the existence of extremely large column density (~1024 cm–2) clouds.

Nonsense. Tell us the distance to this thing!? Then...how you think you know! Then...tell us how you think it must be a black hole! Then we can get into your gas claims.


Science has to do with what is known. Your would be elitist gibberish is anything but known.

 

[Incariol]

Nonsense. Tell us the distance to this thing!? Then...how you think you know! Then...tell us how you think it must be a black hole! Then we can get into your gas claims.

You are welcome to harass Hagai Natzer if you wish. Just be aware that he is a professional, and lives on the other side of the planet, so he might just ignore you if you aren't civil or your objections are answerable by taking an undergraduate physics course.

Science has to do with what is known. Your would be elitist gibberish is anything but known.

I'm sorry that actual physics research is over your head.

 

[dad]

You are welcome to harass Hagai Natzer if you wish. Just be aware that he is a professional, and lives on the other side of the planet, so he might just ignore you if you aren't civil or your objections are answerable by taking an undergraduate physics course.

Apparently I would have to as you were unable to answer basic questions on what you spam posted. His ideas are Mickey Mouse. Really. Not as worthy as a child's smile. Certainly of no interest to a thinking person.

I'm sorry that actual physics research is over your head.

That is anything but research. That is wolfish myth, in sheep's clothing.

 

[Incariol]

His ideas are Mickey Mouse. Really. Not as worthy as a child's smile. Certainly of no interest to a thinking person.

That's nice.

That is anything but research. That is wolfish myth, in sheep's clothing.

Of course it is. Those nasty scientists use too much math, so they must be lying through their filthy teeth. Probably have forked tongues too, like snakes.

 

[dad]

That's nice.

And true and I dare you to address the issues. Better still address the topic.

 

[Incariol]

And true and I dare you to address the issues.

What issues?

Better still address the topic.

Which is?

 

[dad]

What issues?

The issues of how far away this supposed black hole is? The issue of what makes you think it is a black hole? Etc..

Which is?

Windows of Heaven.

You have a Christian icon! So you must believe Paul was caught up beyond space to the third heaven!

 

[Incariol]

The issues of how far away this supposed black hole is? The issue of what makes you think it is a black hole? Etc..

What do you mean? I haven't said anything about black holes.

Windows of Heaven.

You have a Christian icon! So you must believe Paul was caught up beyond space to the third heaven!

Doesn't this belong in a theology forum?

 

[Jazer]

However, a known property of wormholes is that they are highly unstable and would probably collapse instantly if even the tiniest amount of matter, such as a single photon, attempted to pass through them.

A proton is not so tiny, it is big enough you could send someone a photo. How about if when you graduate from college you sent your parents a graduation photo but they receive it on the day you were born.

Researchers at the University of Rochester have made an optics breakthrough that allows them to encode an entire image's worth of data into a photon, slow the image down for storage, and then retrieve the image intact.

 

[Jazer]

Using not strange or exotic matter that is a kissing cousin of the physical only realm, but spiritual forces. Such holes are known to be opened. Such doors are a matter of record and fact.

So R U saying that if we want to go to Heaven it is going to take a lot of energy? Some people do not have enough energy to get up off of the couch. If the rapture were to happen some people do not have enough of the resurection power of God in them to get even one foot off the ground.

 

[Jazer]

I used to lean toward a partial canopy as the source of flood water. I now lean toward the waters coming from outside what we think of as space.

That does not make any sense. Water is H2O. The O stands for oxygen and Oxygen is obviously produced through photosynthesis in green plants. R there any green plants in outerspace to make oxygen?

What does the bible say!? windows of heaven were opened.

This is the first heaven or the sky or the atmosphere. We do not know if it rained before the flood or not. Perhaps the dew was enough to water the earth.

 

[dad]

What do you mean? I haven't said anything about black holes.

Your link did, what you don't even read your own spam?

Doesn't this belong in a theology forum?

Wormholes and what space is is covered by science. Not that they know much about it, but they claim to.

 

[dad]

That does not make any sense. Water is H2O. The O stands for oxygen and Oxygen is obviously produced through photosynthesis in green plants. R there any green plants in outerspace to make oxygen?

The water was made at creation. It was separated by an expanse, some on earth some above the firmament that holds the stars.

This is the first heaven or the sky or the atmosphere.

That is your opinion. Obviously the window to the third heaven would open earth side! --in our sky. But it was a window that God was on the other side of!

We do not know if it rained before the flood or not. Perhaps the dew was enough to water the earth.

Point? This has what to do with doors to where God lives?

 

[dad]

So R U saying that if we want to go to Heaven it is going to take a lot of energy?

No. That would take Jesus, THE door. But the windows from heaven that God opens for connections with earth require we know not what. Not like we can make one. Science uses just the physical laws and concepts, and visualizes a wormhole connecting universes a certain way. They are working with only part of the facts so could never really figure much out.

Some people do not have enough energy to get up off of the couch. If the rapture were to happen some people do not have enough of the resurection power of God in them to get even one foot off the ground.

Good point. The Rapture. Multitudes of people being taken off the earth, and going to be with God. I don't want to get fancy here, or sidetracked...but when listening to one preacher (John MacArthur) I noticed he posited that the war in heaven might be set off by this event.


That makes some sense. The demons in space when faced with massive windows of heaven, might be desperate enough to try to fight it. Of course near that time, then, they would be cast to the earth. But I digress.