World of Warcraft. evil?

[JC4LIFE316]

JC4LIFE316, I have the same kind of story.
Congradulations! for doing what you knew you had to do I know its hard, because as I said before, I went through the same thing.
I felt personally that God wanted me to stop playing.
However, I wouldn't go as far to say that he wants every chrisitan to stop playing,
or even as for to say that every christion has the same weakness for the game that I and obviously you had.
I feel if God wants someone to stop playing he'll make it clear to them, as he did for you and I.
He is the shepherd, we are the sheep, he'll call us.
it has nothing to do with how good your relationship with him is. just how willing you are to listen.

You are either hot or cold for God, but he hates when we are just warm. So having said that I understand what you’re trying to say but the reason not everyone can feel the same about a game or other things, depends on our relationship with God, and how close we are to him. The more closer you are the more you understand him and his way, and your start listing to his voice. When Christ left this earth he say that he will live Holy Spirit for us to guide us through life. Now do u think everyone that calls them selves Christian are real believers in Gods eyes. Of course NOT, not everyone is seeking for the Lord. The reason you couldn’t fall a sleep because God is important to you and you didn’t want to ignore him. God loves to be connected to his people. He wants us to obey him. Now when something is EVIL it is EVIL, sin is a sin, bad is bad, we can’t say that u can do these sins but not the others all sins are sins. The amount of magic content in this game is amazing, lots of times I would read a quest or do something in the game and I would get shocked, why did Blizzard had to put that or this in there and where did they get all this stuff. When It comes to thing like porn, witchcraft, horror movies, etc it doesn’t matter if it is digital, on tape, in the book, or practiced in life, all this are bad news and bad in Gods eye, now do u really think that God watches people playing this kinds of games and says, “oh yeah go head play, its all digital”, when the creator of the game is devil, that used his people to create this junk. NO, this game is not for a Christian. If some of you think that there is no way you can stop playing this game, or other MMORPG with the same content like WoW (which most of them are), then pray to God, and he will open up way for you to forget about this game or other, and start worshiping him the way he wants us to worship him, because I know some people that can’t even imagine to stop playing this game because they invested so MUCH, I mean SO MUCH time of they’re life that they feel its is like part of their existence on earth. Some people got lots of friends that they made through WoW, they are afraid to loose contact with them. Invest your life and time in Christ and your reward in heaven is going to be big.

 

[Theogonia]

You are either hot or cold for God, but he hates when we are just warm. So having said that I understand what you’re trying to say but the reason not everyone can feel the same about a game or other things, depends on our relationship with God, and how close we are to him. The more closer you are the more you understand him and his way, and your start listing to his voice. When Christ left this earth he say that he will live Holy Spirit for us to guide us through life. Now do u think everyone that calls them selves Christian are real believers in Gods eyes. Of course NOT, not everyone is seeking for the Lord. The reason you couldn’t fall a sleep because God is important to you and you didn’t want to ignore him. God loves to be connected to his people. He wants us to obey him. Now when something is EVIL it is EVIL, sin is a sin, bad is bad, we can’t say that u can do these sins but not the others all sins are sins.

First, I have reason to believe that magic in itself is not evil, and that the verses pertaining to magic originally meant mediums, most of whom are frauds.

Second, yes there is "evil" magic, but there are many types of witches. Satanist witches probably practice that "evil" form of magic. Wicca however, prohibits the usage of magic to harm another being.

Third, the magic in the game is NOT REAL. How can anyone be so blind as to not see that?

Would you not allow your children to playact with toy guns or swords? They are pretending to "kill" each other.

No?

So why is it wrong to pretend to do magic that doesn't even exist in the form the games have it, but not to pretend to kill someone in play? Or in a game, for that matter.

The amount of magic content in this game is amazing, lots of times I would read a quest or do something in the game and I would get shocked, why did Blizzard had to put that or this in there and where did they get all this stuff.

It's called FANTASY. Is the Wizard of Oz evil? There's a good witch and a bad witch in that.

When It comes to thing like porn, witchcraft, horror movies, etc it doesn’t matter if it is digital, on tape, in the book, or practiced in life, all this are bad news and bad in Gods eye,

WRONG.

now do u really think that God watches people playing this kinds of games and says, “oh yeah go head play, its all digital”,

How in HELL do you know what God thinks? For all we know, he might think that. And probably does.

when the creator of the game is devil,

No, it's not. The devil that you believe in does not exist.

that used his people to create this junk. NO, this game is not for a Christian. If some of you think that there is no way you can stop playing this game, or other MMORPG with the same content like WoW (which most of them are), then pray to God, and he will open up way for you to forget about this game or other, and start worshiping him the way he wants us to worship him, because I know some people that can’t even imagine to stop playing this game because they invested so MUCH, I mean SO MUCH time of they’re life that they feel its is like part of their existence on earth. Some people got lots of friends that they made through WoW, they are afraid to loose contact with them. Invest your life and time in Christ and your reward in heaven is going to be big.

To make an asinine blanket statement like that, you need to be backed up by logic or even the bible. Since neither supports what you're saying, your word might as well be that of a fool.

 

[Dannager]

Alright I am, back on this forum and want to share my experience, with u all, I have been posting on here and I was against WoW. But then I decided to give it another chance, I started playing it and it started to be addicting, the game became really interesting, but just like someone else posted, sometimes I could fall a sleep cause I felt like God hates this game and doesn't want me to play it.

God doesn't hate the game.

But I wouldn't stop and would continue to play and use an excuse that some are saying here "Oh its just a game, its not real"

That's right, it's not.

I got my Human Paladin to level 44 with lots of blue stuff on him, but my relationship with became really week, I could not pray to him the way I did before, I couldn’t go to Church and attend and listen to preacher the way I did before.

It sounds like you simply have a problem with an addictive personality. It has nothing to do with the game, it could have been anything. Don't blame the game for your own problems. You won't fix anything that way.

Also started to have little bit of problems with my wife because I would spend too much time sitting at the computer.

Again, this is a problem with addiction. If you are easily addicted to things, you should not engage in them. They aren't evil, you just aren't capable of moderating your use of them.

Pretty much lots of aspects of life started to be not important to me, but I would always think of WoW, and what is the next gear or whatever that I need to get for my Paladin.

This is a hallmark of addiction. You're blaming a personal problem on a video game.

Now I am a strong believer in Christ, and I never really doubted Christ and Bible before, but while playing this game, this thoughts of there is no God started to pop up.

Those thoughts don't pop up without reason. Why are you questioning your faith? And don't blame it on WoW. Playing a fantasy video game shouldn't be making you question your faith.

I started moving God to a side and not paying attention to his word. I would always go just like some here "Oh its just a game, its not real".

Yeah, except that you have a very real problem: addiction.

Yesterday I finally quite once and for all, deleted the Character and closing the account.

Good. It might also be a good idea to consider speaking to a therapist in order to learn how to control and moderate your addictions.

First thing that happed, is I don’t feel any addiction to WoW anymore, I started regaining my lost relationship with Christ, my interest for Christ, bible studying and living and worshiping the Lord came back to me. Now I enjoy praying to my Savior. I am thanking Jesus that He is always there for me even when I ignore him and his word. This is just a very short summery of my WoW adventure that went on for more then a month.

You've had a wild ride.

Just like I said on here before, I say it again WoW is not a game for a True Christian,

Yes it is. It is not for people with addiction problems, though. If you have an obsessive personality that you cannot control, stay away from it.

you can say "Oh its just a game, its not real" 100 times, but that wont change the game or its content,

Of course it won't. But it's still just a game. It's not real.

and a creator (satan) of the game.

Satan didn't create this game.

WoW or any game with that kind of content should not be touched by a Christian, end of story, u can go on for your whole life defending WoW, and that is because you are addicted or just don’t know Christ and never had any personal relationship with him.

...man, you are so incredibly off-base here. Most of us defending are both Christian and not addicted to the game. You are the one who has had the problem with addiction. Don't push your problems off on others. Do the responsible thing and take control of your life. Admit that you need to work on moderating yourself and do something about it.

I also did some research on the whole Fantasy Role Playing thing and I am not going to go on about it but will say the say thing I just said about WoW.

Man, what? What in the world could be wrong with role-playing?

So please for all of you who are seeking the Lord, don’t even bother, just stay away from this EVIL game!

JC4LIFE316, you're blaming your own private problems on a video game. Stop this nonsense.

 

[Dannager]

You are either hot or cold for God, but he hates when we are just warm.

And that has nothing to do with this game.

So having said that I understand what you’re trying to say but the reason not everyone can feel the same about a game or other things, depends on our relationship with God, and how close we are to him.

That's incredibly mature of you. Your position has become "If you disagree with me, it's because you aren't close to God. And I know, because I am close to God. Neener neener."

Now when something is EVIL it is EVIL, sin is a sin, bad is bad, we can’t say that u can do these sins but not the others all sins are sins. The amount of magic content in this game is amazing, lots of times I would read a quest or do something in the game and I would get shocked, why did Blizzard had to put that or this in there and where did they get all this stuff.

It's a game. It isn't real magic. You aren't casting spells. You aren't summoning demons. You aren't divining the future. You're playing a video game where your fake character is casting fake spells and fooling around with fake monsters. This isn't a difficult concept to understand, JC4LIFE316.

When It comes to thing like porn, witchcraft, horror movies, etc it doesn’t matter if it is digital, on tape, in the book, or practiced in life, all this are bad news and bad in Gods eye,

That would have some relevance to this conversation if the magic in World of Warcraft were real magic. It's not. It's fake.

now do u really think that God watches people playing this kinds of games and says, “oh yeah go head play, its all digital”,

Yes.

when the creator of the game is devil,

The creator of the game is not the devil. You're just saying this because you're trying as hard as possible to demonize the game.

that used his people to create this junk.

Hahaha, I'm good friends with some of the people who created and continue to work on the game. They're not being used by Satan.

NO, this game is not for a Christian.

Sure it is.

If some of you think that there is no way you can stop playing this game, or other MMORPG with the same content like WoW (which most of them are), then pray to God, and he will open up way for you to forget about this game or other, and start worshiping him the way he wants us to worship him, because I know some people that can’t even imagine to stop playing this game because they invested so MUCH, I mean SO MUCH time of they’re life that they feel its is like part of their existence on earth.

Yeah, they're addicted to it, and they need help dealing with that addiction. That doesn't make the game any more evil than food. People get addicted to eating all the time.

Some people got lots of friends that they made through WoW, they are afraid to loose contact with them.

Yeah, that's actually a good reason to keep playing.

 

[Nightson]

I got my Human Paladin to level 44 with lots of blue stuff on him, but my relationship with became really week, I could not pray to him the way I did before, I couldn’t go to Church and attend and listen to preacher the way I did before. Also started to have little bit of problems with my wife because I would spend too much time sitting at the computer. Pretty much lots of aspects of life started to be not important to me, but I would always think of WoW, and what is the next gear or whatever that I need to get for my Paladin. Now I am a strong believer in Christ, and I never really doubted Christ and Bible before, but while playing this game, this thoughts of there is no God started to pop up. I started moving God to a side and not paying attention to his word. I would always go just like some here "Oh its just a game, its not real". Yesterday I finally quite once and for all, deleted the Character and closing the account. First thing that happed, is I don’t feel any addiction to WoW anymore, I started regaining my lost relationship with Christ, my interest for Christ, bible studying and living and worshiping the Lord came back to me. Now I enjoy praying to my Savior. I am thanking Jesus that He is always there for me even when I ignore him and his word. This is just a very short summery of my WoW adventure that went on for more then a month. Just like I said on here before, I say it again WoW is not a game for a True Christian, you can say "Oh its just a game, its not real" 100 times, but that wont change the game or its content, and a creator (satan) of the game. WoW or any game with that kind of content should not be touched by a Christian, end of story, u can go on for your whole life defending WoW, and that is because you are addicted or just don’t know Christ and never had any personal relationship with him. I also did some research on the whole Fantasy Role Playing thing and I am not going to go on about it but will say the say thing I just said about WoW. So please for all of you who are seeking the Lord, don’t even bother, just stay away from this EVIL game!

The core of your problem is that you decided to roll a paladin.

 

[Zecryphon]

Alright I am, back on this forum and want to share my experience, with u all, I have been posting on here and I was against WoW. But then I decided to give it another chance, I started playing it and it started to be addicting, the game became really interesting, but just like someone else posted, sometimes I could fall a sleep cause I felt like God hates this game and doesn't want me to play it. But I wouldn't stop and would continue to play and use an excuse that some are saying here "Oh its just a game, its not real" I got my Human Paladin to level 44 with lots of blue stuff on him, but my relationship with became really week, I could not pray to him the way I did before, I couldn’t go to Church and attend and listen to preacher the way I did before. Also started to have little bit of problems with my wife because I would spend too much time sitting at the computer. Pretty much lots of aspects of life started to be not important to me, but I would always think of WoW, and what is the next gear or whatever that I need to get for my Paladin. Now I am a strong believer in Christ, and I never really doubted Christ and Bible before, but while playing this game, this thoughts of there is no God started to pop up. I started moving God to a side and not paying attention to his word. I would always go just like some here "Oh its just a game, its not real". Yesterday I finally quite once and for all, deleted the Character and closing the account. First thing that happed, is I don’t feel any addiction to WoW anymore, I started regaining my lost relationship with Christ, my interest for Christ, bible studying and living and worshiping the Lord came back to me. Now I enjoy praying to my Savior. I am thanking Jesus that He is always there for me even when I ignore him and his word. This is just a very short summery of my WoW adventure that went on for more then a month. Just like I said on here before, I say it again WoW is not a game for a True Christian, you can say "Oh its just a game, its not real" 100 times, but that wont change the game or its content, and a creator (satan) of the game. WoW or any game with that kind of content should not be touched by a Christian, end of story, u can go on for your whole life defending WoW, and that is because you are addicted or just don’t know Christ and never had any personal relationship with him. I also did some research on the whole Fantasy Role Playing thing and I am not going to go on about it but will say the say thing I just said about WoW. So please for all of you who are seeking the Lord, don’t even bother, just stay away from this EVIL game!

Dude,

the game is not evil, you're just not strong enough to know when to stop playing and do the other things in your life that need doing. It's a discipline problem, nothing else. You lack discipline and instead of admitting a shortcoming on your behalf or that there is anything wrong with you or laying this problem of yours at the feet of Jesus, you instead choose to lay it at the feet of Blizzard, and in this case, the World of Warcraft game. It's sad really, but not unusual. I've seen your kind before.

We all have discipline problems in our walk with the Lord, but we have to remember it's our problem and He alone has the power to fix it. I think it's wholly irresponsible of you to say that this one game is going to be the downfall of other Christians, just because it happened to you. I play Guild Wars and other RPG games and it has never affected my relationship with Christ. So what's the difference? One of us has discipline and one of us doesn't.

 

[Zecryphon]

"You are either hot or cold for God, but he hates when we are just warm."

Are you claiming to speak for God? Are you claiming to know the mind of God? If so, I have alot of questions I would like you to answer.

"When Christ left this earth he say that he will live Holy Spirit for us to guide us through life."

Actually, He said He would send the Holy Spirit, not that he will live Holy Spirit.

"Now do u think everyone that calls them selves Christian are real believers in Gods eyes. Of course NOT, not everyone is seeking for the Lord."

How the hell do you know? First what is God's standard for who is a "real" Christian and who is not. I know the standard the Bible uses, but it seems you have a different one in mind so please share.

"Now when something is EVIL it is EVIL, sin is a sin, bad is bad, we can’t say that u can do these sins but not the others all sins are sins."

And what does the Bible say we are to do with sin?

"The amount of magic content in this game is amazing, lots of times I would read a quest or do something in the game and I would get shocked, why did Blizzard had to put that or this in there and where did they get all this stuff."

They put it in there because visually it's amazing and really adds to the game and magic has been around for thousands of years. Every civilization has some sort of magic component in it. Non-believers think that our "magic" is the Holy Spirit, God and Jesus.

"When It comes to thing like porn, witchcraft, horror movies, etc it doesn’t matter if it is digital, on tape, in the book, or practiced in life, all this are bad news and bad in Gods eye, now do u really think that God watches people playing this kinds of games and says, “oh yeah go head play, its all digital”,"

What proof do you have that God has said anything about video games, horror movies etc. I think what's happening here is you're taking Bible stories and their lessons and applying them out of context to things you don't personally like. I've seen it for years with Christians. Christians do this when they find people doing things they don't like. Drinking and dancing were banned by Christians who did this. They take Bible verses out of context and use them as a sword to slay other people. How is that any different than WoW?

"when the creator of the game is devil,"

ROFLMAO!!! Prove it! LOL

"that used his people to create this junk."

Yes, Silicon Valley is ruled by Satan! LOL

"NO, this game is not for a Christian. If some of you think that there is no way you can stop playing this game, or other MMORPG with the same content like WoW (which most of them are), then pray to God, and he will open up way for you to forget about this game or other, and start worshiping him the way he wants us to worship him, because I know some people that can’t even imagine to stop playing this game because they invested so MUCH, I mean SO MUCH time of they’re life that they feel its is like part of their existence on earth. Some people got lots of friends that they made through WoW, they are afraid to loose contact with them. Invest your life and time in Christ and your reward in heaven is going to be big."

So let's say Christians do as YOU say and lay this at the feet of God and the answer they receive is that it's okay to play this game. Would YOU accept that answer as being from God? If not, why not? Because the person that really has a problem with this game is not God, but rather YOU. And YOU want everyone to behave according to what YOU think is good. It's a personal relationship for all believers with God. I don't understand how you think you can come in and dictate to other people how to walk worthy in God's sight when you yourself became blind to God.

 

[dayknee]

lololololol <breathes> lololololol
I find it so rediculus that someone would blame there lack of self control regarding a GAME on the fact that the game is evil and like they are being sucked into it by the devil..The game is not evil..
The problem is ALL about being addicted and not being able to moderate their useage of the game..and then when they have no one else to blame but themselves and they dont want to do that..they blame the game itself..GET A GRIP!!! get a grip on life and reality..if the game controls you its becuase of YOU!! its because you are NOT able to separate life from fantasy..lolololollolol...zomgitsapallidanwhocantstopplayingWoWandblamesitonthedevil
rofl..what a no0b!

 

[JC4LIFE316]

wow.....................what Bible do u guys read, make sure its not koran, or something alse........................ I am not even going to respond to all the nonsense I just read.

 

[dayknee]

wow.....................what Bible do u guys read, make sure its not koran, or something alse........................ I am not even going to respond to all the nonsense I just read.

The Koran?!? hardly, but what you deem unholy and unhealthy is what your not able to control..this has nothing to do with it being a sin to play this game..it isnt..what the sin is, is when one becomes so involved in the game that they make it their reality and lose focus and cant funciton without it..what the sin is , is when your family, friends, walk with God is effected by it..If one cant make the distinction between real life and fantasy then it becomes htat individuals lack of self control..not because hte game is sinful..Its your sinful nature and your addictive nature that allows you to become sucked into it and make that game your life..its called balance..I play and there is nothing wrong with my walk with the lord..I do my bible studies go to church weekly, i tend to my childrens needs and take care of my home..i CHOOSE to not sit on that game all day and neglect my walk with the lord or my family..Clearly, for those who have an addictive nature cant do this and then the game is to blame and not the individual..its all about taking responsibility
Im sorry that you are offended by what people are saying, but youre making excuses as to why your unable to or were unable to control your game play.Your blaming it on satan..Satan puts those situations in our path but as christians there is always an out..

 

[Zecryphon]

wow.....................what Bible do u guys read, make sure its not koran, or something alse........................ I am not even going to respond to all the nonsense I just read.

Of course you're not, because to do so would mean that you would have to take an honest look at yourself and I think you're afraid of what you might find. You might find that you DO have an addictive personality and are easily addicted to such things as video games. For your information, and your insult about us possibly reading the Koran is noted, I read the English Standard Version, The New American Standard Version and the New International Version. What else would you like to know? Oh wait, I forgot, you apparently know it ALL already.

 

[dayknee]

wow.....................what Bible do u guys read, make sure its not koran, or something alse........................ I am not even going to respond to all the nonsense I just read.

The Koran?!? hardly, but what you deem unholy and unhealthy is what your not able to control..this has nothing to do with it being a sin to play this game..it isnt..what the sin is, is when one becomes so involved in the game that they make it their reality and lose focus and cant funciton without it..what the sin is , is when your family, friends, walk with God is effected by it..If one cant make the distinction between real life and fantasy then it becomes htat individuals lack of self control..not because hte game is sinful..Its your sinful nature and your addictive nature that allows you to become sucked into it and make that game your life..its called balance..I play and there is nothing wrong with my walk with the lord..I do my bible studies go to church weekly, i tend to my childrens needs and take care of my home..i CHOOSE to not sit on that game all day and neglect my walk with the lord or my family..Clearly, for those who have an addictive nature cant do this and then the game is to blame and not the individual..its all about taking responsibility
Im sorry that you are offended by what people are saying, but youre making excuses as to why your unable to or were unable to control your game play.Your blaming it on satan..Satan puts those situations in our path but as christians there is always an out..

 

[Theogonia]

Right. I used to be extremely addicted to video games and I barely did anything else. That had nothing to do with the games being evil, but rather my personality.

Now, I still enjoy them once in awhile, but am not at all addicted.

It's just like with drugs, they're not harmful in themselves, it's when people get addicted that they are dangerous. Just like with alcohol, or any other kind of stimulant.

 

[JC4LIFE316]

Just so you know ScottyL, there is no good magic, all kinds of magic is a works and powers of satan. To everyone else I wanna say this, u can say what you want about WoW, but one thing will always stay the same magic and witchcraft is banned by God, and if you read bible I am sure u get the massage. You have to also understand that the reason magic and witchraft is really bad is because it deals with spiritual world. Now if you think because its a game there is nothing wrong, i don't agree with that. I think that magic in the game might not effect you, as if you were practicing magic in real life, but one thing I know for sure is that God doesn't want his people to deal with anything that mansions or deals with magic and witchcraft. Here is a verse for ya Gal 5:20

 

[Theogonia]

Just so you know ScottyL, there is no good magic, all kinds of magic is a works and powers of satan.

Do you believe God is omniescent and all powerful? If so, do you believe that everything comes from God?

If you believe these things, then you must accept that magical energy comes from God. How do you think Jesus performed those miracles?

If you don't believe that, then God is not all powerful, and as a result is not God.

To everyone else I wanna say this, u can say what you want about WoW, but one thing will always stay the same magic and witchcraft is banned by God,

True, it is hidden from us, but not because it's evil, but because it is beyond our control and is very dangerous to attempt to control it.

It is not evil, it is hidden from us because of the extreme danger.

and if you read bible I am sure u get the massage. You have to also understand that the reason magic and witchraft is really bad is because it deals with spiritual world.

So, is God evil? Are angels evil? Those are all part of the spiritual world.

Your mistake is in saying that magic is evil because it has to do with the spiritual world.

If that's the case then Jesus was demonic. For he utilized magic, contacting the spirit world to manipulate nature. That is what real magic is.

Now if you think because its a game there is nothing wrong, i don't agree with that. I think that magic in the game might not effect you, as if you were practicing magic in real life, but one thing I know for sure is that God doesn't want his people to deal with anything that mansions or deals with magic and witchcraft. Here is a verse for ya Gal 5:20

First, you can't possibly know that, second, Sorcery in this case could refer to Necromancy, or the aforementioned mediums.

 

[JC4LIFE316]

If you believe these things, then you must accept that magical energy comes from God. How do you think Jesus performed those miracles?

Dude your are totally lost with this, do you see at lease once in Bible that it mentions that Christ used magic to do miracles. Of course NOT, because magic comes from witchcraft and is satans powers. God doesn't need to use magic to do miracles. He is almighty GOD. How can u even dare to say that Jesus used magical energy from GOD. I understand you are young and everything and what I would suggest u talk to your pastor, he should be able to brake it down to ya.

 

[Zecryphon]

Just so you know ScottyL, there is no good magic, all kinds of magic is a works and powers of satan. To everyone else I wanna say this, u can say what you want about WoW, but one thing will always stay the same magic and witchcraft is banned by God, and if you read bible I am sure u get the massage. You have to also understand that the reason magic and witchraft is really bad is because it deals with spiritual world. Now if you think because its a game there is nothing wrong, i don't agree with that. I think that magic in the game might not effect you, as if you were practicing magic in real life, but one thing I know for sure is that God doesn't want his people to deal with anything that mansions or deals with magic and witchcraft. Here is a verse for ya Gal 5:20

"Just so you know ScottyL, there is no good magic, all kinds of magic is a works and powers of satan."

But how does that relate to pixels on a video screen?

"To everyone else I wanna say this, u can say what you want about WoW, but one thing will always stay the same magic and witchcraft is banned by God, and if you read bible I am sure u get the massage."

First, if you want to be taken seriously you should really clean up the spelling and other errors in your messages. If we read the Bible we receive a message, not a massage. If people received a massage I think we'd have a lot more Christians than we do! LOL

"You have to also understand that the reason magic and witchraft is really bad is because it deals with spiritual world. Now if you think because its a game there is nothing wrong, i don't agree with that. I think that magic in the game might not effect you, as if you were practicing magic in real life, but one thing I know for sure is that God doesn't want his people to deal with anything that mansions or deals with magic and witchcraft. Here is a verse for ya Gal 5:20"

But Jesus Himself said that God's house had many mansions. So if God's house is filled with mansions how can they be a bad thing? See what happens when you don't proofread? People get the wrong message. Computer games are just games, they're no different from any other game. I remember all the Christians back in the '80's who were up in arms about their kids being involved in the satanic arts because they played Dungeons and Dragons. I remember the same kind of hoopla in the '90's when Magic: The Gathering was a one way ticket to Hell. Now it's WoW. 100,000 people leave this planet everyday for the afterlife. There is one thing and one thing only that send a person to Hell, God. If the Holy Spirit has convicted you of your sin and revealed God and His plan of salvation for you to you and you have accepted Jesus' gift then you will not go to Hell. So no matter how much you may want it to be different playing video games, even WoW, will not send you to Hell.

As for Galatians 5:20, here is how that reads:

(20) idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions.

That's it! That's the whole verse. So where's the condemnation of magic in that verse? I just see a list of behaviors. The very verse you're relying on to prove you right also convicts you. For in this thread you have engaged in a dispute, have established yourself as a faction (as one who is against WoW), and have also proven you have been engaged in idolatry when you were playing WoW and ignoring God. Galatians 5:20 is not a good verse to bring up to condemn magic. The verses do exist, perhaps now you will find us one.

 

[JC4LIFE316]

To Zecryphon
Here is the full verses from Gal 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Zecryphon]

"Dude your are totally lost with this, do you see at lease once in Bible that it mentions that Christ used magic to do miracles. Of course NOT, because magic comes from witchcraft and is satans powers."

See Matthew 12:24-26.

In these passages the Pharisees accuse Jesus of being able to perform miracles because of Satan, not God. So yeah, that counts as a mention in the Bible that Jesus used satanic powers to perform His miracles I'd say, even though it was a lie told by the Pharisees in an effort to discredit Jesus.

"God doesn't need to use magic to do miracles. He is almighty GOD."

So what does God use to perform miracles? It could be called magic, which is a word we use when we can't understand the process by which something occurs, it's magic.

"How can u even dare to say that Jesus used magical energy from GOD. I understand you are young and everything and what I would suggest u talk to your pastor, he should be able to brake it down to ya."

And what are you? A wise old sage? You're 23 and in over your head here.

 

[Zecryphon]

Very good. See how much better it works for your case when you include the WHOLE verse. The verse still condemns you though, as you did engage in idolatry. Keep looking, there's more verses! LOL