World Mission Society Church of God

[trinity101]

Has anyone here heard about the wmscog? If so, what do you think about their doctrines? Please don't be hateful, use the bible to rebuttal.

Also, I've been studying with them and they seem to answer my questions. They showed me some of their videos, I was wondering can anyone here debunk these videos?

1. Christianity that is called heresy
https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R3lY5r2V4o

2. God the Father and God the Mother’s Love That Brings Us Salvation
https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClMrNn95Zo4

3. Heavenly Mother, the Source of the Water of Life
https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MKXGLYO4Eo

4. Life Designer & Mother God the Mother, Heavenly Mother
https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSWPCx_3uLU

5. The Savior & the New Name, Christ Ahnsahnghong

6. King David & the New Covenant

 

[JohnB445]

Here this may help debunk them. Remember the Bible warns in the last days there will be false messiahs that will come in his name. Make sure you know who you are worshipping before you worship.

 

[JohnB445]

15 Now I make known unto you brethren, the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye received, wherein also ye stand, 2 by which also ye are saved, if ye hold fast the word which I preached unto you, except ye believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which also I received: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 and that he was buried; and that he hath been raised on the third day according to the scriptures; 5

 

[trinity101]

Thanks for the responses. The wmscog responded with if physical life is given through mothers, shouldn't spiritual life be also given my our spiritual mother in Gal 4:26

Adam did call his wife Eve mother of all living.

 

[trinity101]

Here this may help debunk them. Remember the Bible warns in the last days there will be false messiahs that will come in his name. Make sure you know who you are worshipping before you worship.

If you watch video #1, do you think that video responds to Mike Wingers claims?

 

[redleghunter]

Has anyone here heard about the wmscog? If so, what do you think about their doctrines? Please don't be hateful, use the bible to rebuttal.

Also, I've been studying with them and they seem to answer my questions. They showed me some of their videos, I was wondering can anyone here debunk these videos?

1. Christianity that is called heresy
https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R3lY5r2V4o

2. God the Father and God the Mother’s Love That Brings Us Salvation
https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClMrNn95Zo4

3. Heavenly Mother, the Source of the Water of Life
https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MKXGLYO4Eo

4. Life Designer & Mother God the Mother, Heavenly Mother
https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSWPCx_3uLU

5. The Savior & the New Name, Christ Ahnsahnghong

6. King David & the New Covenant

You may want the mods to move this to the world religion forum. From what you provided this is not a Christian organization of any kind and this is a Christian only area of the forum.

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[redleghunter]

The historic, biblical doctrine of the Trinity teaches that there is one and only one God, and that this one God exists in three distinct and interactive yet coequal and co-eternal persons. God has always been Father, Son, and Spirit. All three are eternal and uncreated. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father; they are distinct persons. Yet they are not three Gods, but one God. This is marvelous to us because we do not exist this way and cannot fathom doing so, but this is how the one true and living God has revealed Himself to us, and so we accept it as true. The Father is the one true God, the Son is also the one true God, and the Spirit is the one true God, but they are distinct persons. When the Father sent the Son, He was not sending Himself. When the Son prayed to the Father, He was not talking to Himself. When the Spirit reveals the Son or intercedes to the Father on our behalf, He is not revealing Himself or interceding to Himself. They are distinct and interactive persons, through they are one living Being. One and only one God, three equal and eternal persons. This is the grand biblical claim of the Trinity. This is not, however, the claim of the WMSCOG.

What does the WMSCOG teach?
The WMSCOG makes the far more simplistic claim that the Father, Son, and Spirit are three roles played by the same singular person. They agree that there is one God but claim that God is sometimes acting as the Father, sometimes as the Son, and sometimes as the Spirit, but not all at once. To the WMCGOG, the Father actually is the Son, and the Son actually is the Spirit. Though they call this "the Trinity," that is not actually what the word "Trinity" means. The WMSCOG position is actually a form of a common heresy known as modalism, which teaches that God is simply one person who plays different roles or appears in different "modes." For example, the WMSCOG teaches:

"Through the concept of the Trinity, we understand God plays three different roles with three different names. In the age of the Father, God plays the role of the Father. In the age of the Son, God plays the role of the Son. In the age of the Holy Spirit, God plays the role of the Holy Spirit."2

They further explain:

"As soon as God was born in the human form, He stopped playing the role of the Father and began to play the role of the Son. At that moment, the age of the Father ended and the age of the Son began. With the change in age also came a change in the Savior’s name. The Savior was no longer named Jehovah but Jesus."

Does the World Mission Society Church of God believe in the Trinity? | CARM.org

 

[redleghunter]

"But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother," (Galatians 4:26).

According to the world Mission Society Church of God, WMSCOG, this passage teaches that there is a Heavenly Mother.

A Response
There are a number of reasons why this passage does not teach the existence of a Heavenly Mother. First, the comparison of Jerusalem being our mother is an allegory which means that one should not take the comparison literally. In context, the book of Galatians is teaching about salvation by faith. In Galatians 4, Paul uses an allegory (verse 22) to make a comparison between two Old Testament characters Hagar and Sarah. Those who seek to be righteous by the law who are called children of the slave woman (Hagar in 4:24-26) and those who seek to be righteous by faith who are children of the free woman (4:22 and 30) or children of promise, (Sarah in 4:28).

Second, the “mother” (Greek μήτηρ meter) reference in Galatians 4:26 corresponds to the heavenly city of Jerusalem which represents Sarah who is the free woman mentioned in verse 22. Nowhere does this text call Sarah God and nowhere does this text mention God the heavenly Mother. It simply refers to those who are justified by faith. They are, figuratively speaking, children of the free woman Sarah (verse 31).

Third, Paul was well aware of the Greek term for God, theos, which he uses numerous times in Galatians and his other letters. If he wanted to teach the notion of God the Mother, he easily could have used theos here and combined it with meter in order to teach God the Mother. However, he did not.

Fourth, Paul believed that there was only one God in all of existence (known as monotheism). This monotheistic belief he expresses elsewhere in Galatians 3:20 as well as in his other letters (1 Corinthians 8:4-6; Romans 3:30). The idea that there are two gods, a Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother, is absolutely false. Please consider the following examples:

• "A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one," (Galatians 3:20, NIV1).
• "So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live," (1 Corinthians 8:4-6, NIV).
• "Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith," (Romans 3:29-30, NIV).

The World Mission Society Church of God, Galatians 4:26, and "God the Mother" | CARM.org

 

[redleghunter]

For those who don't do videos you can get a summary of beliefs here:

Introduction to the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) | CARM.org

 

[redleghunter]

Has anyone here heard about the wmscog? If so, what do you think about their doctrines?

They claim to be Trinitarian but are actually Modalists.

This should help make the distinction:

 

[redleghunter]

More:

Second Coming:

• They believe that Jesus' second coming is actually an incarnation of the Holy Spirit and not a return of the Son. "He made it clear that when He comes again, He would have a new name. He referred to Himself as the Spirit, which means He’s appearing as the Holy Spirit, not as the Son."7
  
• They believe that the Second Coming must include a restoration of the Passover and must come from a nation east of Israel. "The New Covenant Passover is the sign of salvation that lets us recognize the Savior who comes from the east."8
  
• They believe that this coming was fulfilled in their church's founder, Ahnsahnghong. "Christ Ahnsahnghong restored the holy feast of the Passover, the sign of salvation. This sign allows us to recognize Christ Ahnsahnghong and understand that He is God who has come in the human form a second time and brought salvation from the east—South Korea."9
  
• Because they believe that God takes different roles in different ages and is, in this age, the Holy Spirit who came as Ahnsahnghong, they teach that we are to pray, preach in his name and use the name Ahnsahnhong as the personal name of God. "We pray and preach in the name of Ahnsahnghong. We should do these things because the Bible testifies about Ahnsahnghong. With further study, you can have full assurance in the Savior’s new name and receive salvation through Him."10

Introduction to the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) | CARM.org

 

[Tolworth John]

If so, what do you think about their doctrines?

Totaly false.
May I suggest that you leave them.
Biblical rebutal, John 3:16
Salvation is through faith/believe in Jesus , not in a South Korean minister or God the Mother.

 

[Zoom]

1 John 4:

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

19 We love him, because he first loved us.

20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

^^^ This verse is a good place to start, but the problem is how do we distinguish the true Christian domination's that believe in Christ from the false?

My question is, what tests are there that allow us to determine which Church or domination is true? If we are already in that cult, what questions can we ask so can be sure we are in the correct Church that Jesus purchased with is blood?

 

[FireDragon76]

They are a non-Christian "new religion" that uses elements of Christianity syncretically.

 

[KateforChrist]

Examining the World Mission Society Church of God - An in depth look at the World Mission Society Church of God

 

[Deade]

They believe that this coming was fulfilled in their church's founder, Ahnsahnghong.

Christ said:

Matt. 24:23-27 "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

So, no. This guy is not our Lord. The above says His coming will look like a bright sunrise when the darkened sky rolls away.

 

[KateforChrist]

My pastor's wife told me last week that her daughter had been approached by 2 Korean ladies in one of Sydney's satellite cities recently asking if she knew about mother god.

So they are definitely increasing their proselytising outside of Korea and USA.

I saw a sign on a fence in an industrial area around the corner from my work recently (a different area from the above) and the next week I drove in to find out if there was a "church" there because I didn't know if it was just an advertisement. The are operating from that site.