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[EastCoastRemnant]

ECR, I do understand that you just wanted to point to what is called the statutes and judgments.
What if you find out that the same 10 commandments are also listed within the statutes and ordinances? Oh! Python is pointing that out in his post.

Now you know why some people dont post text with their comments The truth comes to light.

The only reference that Python made in those scriptures of the 'sabbaths' were part of the statutes and ordinances ie: feast days. It does not mention the decalogue at all, in which, is preserved THE Sabbath. The yearly sabbaths do not match with the sanctified and hallowed Sabbath of creation, but the seventh day Sabbath of the decalogue does...

 

[Pythons]

The only reference that Python made in those scriptures of the 'sabbaths' were part of the statutes and ordinances ie: feast days. It does not mention the decalogue at all, in which, is preserved THE Sabbath. The yearly sabbaths do not match with the sanctified and hallowed Sabbath of creation, but the seventh day Sabbath of the decalogue does...

If that's the case then "honoring ones parents", "not making gods", "not stealing", etc......
....Are all part of the statutes and ordinances.
....Because those things are right there in Lev 19.
....How do you undstand these things?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

If that's the case then "honoring ones parents", "not making gods", "not stealing", etc......
....Are all part of the statutes and ordinances.
....Because those things are right there in Lev 19.
....How do you undstand these things?

No, the judgements for breaking these decalogue commandments were mentioned in Lev 19. Those were the penalties for breaking the Commandments in those days.. after Christ came and died, we had a different method of dealing with these things for Christ paid the price... see the tie in to the ordinances, statutes and judgements fulfilled by Christ?

 

[ricker]

The only reference that Python made in those scriptures of the 'sabbaths' were part of the statutes and ordinances ie: feast days. It does not mention the decalogue at all, in which, is preserved THE Sabbath. The yearly sabbaths do not match with the sanctified and hallowed Sabbath of creation, but the seventh day Sabbath of the decalogue does...

The weekly Sabbath is indeed included with the other feasts and such.

The Appointed Festivals

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

The Sabbath
3 “‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the LORD.
The Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread
4 “‘These are the LORD’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The LORD’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the LORD’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the LORD. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’”
Offering the Firstfruits
9 The LORD said to Moses, 10 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the LORD a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah] of the finest flour mixed with olive oil—a food offering presented to the LORD, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.
The Festival of Weeks 15 “‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16 Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new .................................................................

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The weekly Sabbath is indeed included with the other feasts and such.

The Appointed Festivals

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

The Sabbath
3 “‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the LORD.
The Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread
4 “‘These are the LORD’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The LORD’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the LORD’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the LORD. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’”
Offering the Firstfruits
9 The LORD said to Moses, 10 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the LORD a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah] of the finest flour mixed with olive oil—a food offering presented to the LORD, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.
The Festival of Weeks 15 “‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16 Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new .................................................................

I see a difference between the 'day of sacred assembly' of the seventh day Sabbath and the other festivals, also considered sacred assemblies.

Why does the seventh day Sabbath, being a sacred assembly blessed and sanctified at creation, have to be seperate from other 'sacred assemblies' that God gave to Moses at Sinai. Both were instituted by God for His people but for vastly different reasons and purposes.

 

[Pythons]

ECR, where do you get the instructions on how you are to observe the Sabbath day if not in the statutes?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

ECR, where do you get the instructions on how you are to observe the Sabbath day if not in the statutes?

Through the Commandment itself...

Ex 20:10
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

And from various NT passages that rightly instruct us how the Sabbath is to be understood...

Matt 12:12
Mark 2:27
Acts 13:44

Also the instruction given through sister White... but most importantly is the conviction of the Holy Spirit that instructs in righteousness. The Lord reveals to us what is pleasing to Him on His day... if we trust and obey.

 

[ricker]

[=EastCoastRemnant;57100931]I see a difference between the 'day of sacred assembly' of the seventh day Sabbath and the other festivals, also considered sacred assemblies.

What difference do you see?

Why does the seventh day Sabbath, being a sacred assembly blessed and sanctified at creation, have to be seperate from other 'sacred assemblies' that God gave to Moses at Sinai. Both were instituted by God for His people but for vastly different reasons and purposes.

The Appointed Festivals

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

The Sabbath
3 “‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the LORD.
The Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread
4 “‘These are the LORD’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The LORD’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the LORD’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the LORD. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’”
Offering the Firstfruits
9 The LORD said to Moses, 10 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the LORD a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah] of the finest flour mixed with olive oil—a food offering presented to the LORD, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.
The Festival of Weeks 15 “‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16 Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new .................................................................

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Yes, you already posted that. What I am saying is, where's the tension between the sacred assembly of Sabbath and the sacred assembly of God's instituted feasts. Both were Holy and worthy to be called sacred assemblies. Difference is, the feast and other ordinances had a fulfillment whereas the aseveneth day Sabbath did not.

What you presented does not forever link the Sabbath to the feasts by making the Sabbath an ordinace or statute... it only identifies them as sacred assemblies, which they both were at the time.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Difference is, the feast and other ordinances had a fulfillment whereas the aseveneth day Sabbath did not.

Is Jesus our rest?

Why would we distinguish between God's holy convocations?

BFA

 

[Pythons]

Through the Commandment itself...

Ex 20:10
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

And from various NT passages that rightly instruct us how the Sabbath is to be understood...

Matt 12:12
Mark 2:27
Acts 13:44

Also the instruction given through sister White... but most importantly is the conviction of the Holy Spirit that instructs in righteousness. The Lord reveals to us what is pleasing to Him on His day... if we trust and obey.

Yes, I understand what you mean about work however aside from work...
...Would you do things not considered work such as attending a sports game, prior to or after church?
...If you would not where do you get instructions not to?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Yes, I understand what you mean about work however aside from work...
...Would you do things not considered work such as attending a sports game, prior to or after church?
...If you would not where do you get instructions not to?

Isaiah 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Most recognize Isaiah as speaking as much for our day as his own... it's interesting that this verse is spoken of by him.

 

[Pythons]

Isaiah 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Most recognize Isaiah as speaking as much for our day as his own... it's interesting that this verse is spoken of by him.

I had guessed you would offer that Scripture....
...Why don't you observe the new moon or other feasts mentioned in the law and prophets?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I had guessed you would offer that Scripture....
...Why don't you observe the new moon or other feasts mentioned in the law and prophets?

As we go around again, I believe the feasts and other yearly sabbaths were fulfilled in the Cross. I believe the seventh day Sabbath, along with the other precepts of the decalogue, endure forever...

You were asking me to provide evidence for how i know how to honour Sabbath... that I have done, please don't turn this into a merry-go-round trying to bring me to your way of thinking... ain't gonna happen.

 

[Pythons]

As we go around again, I believe the feasts and other yearly sabbaths were fulfilled in the Cross. I believe the seventh day Sabbath, along with the other precepts of the decalogue, endure forever...

You were asking me to provide evidence for how i know how to honour Sabbath... that I have done, please don't turn this into a merry-go-round trying to bring me to your way of thinking... ain't gonna happen.

My question is where in Scripture do you see that the decalogue was a separate law unto itself?
...Given what the meaning of Mitzvah and Mitzvot is.
...Of course I may have missed your answer to my questions on Deut 5.
...So I will go back and read what you may have said about "the pause" of God as He was giving the commandments.

 

[Pythons]

No, the judgements for breaking these decalogue commandments were mentioned in Lev 19. Those were the penalties for breaking the Commandments in those days.. after Christ came and died, we had a different method of dealing with these things for Christ paid the price... see the tie in to the ordinances, statutes and judgements fulfilled by Christ?

Where are the judgements mentioned in Lev 19 for the following?
...In Lev 19?

Lev 19, 1 - 18
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.
3Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
4Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.
5And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, ye shall offer it at your own will.
6It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
7And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.
8Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the LORD: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
9And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
10And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
11Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
12And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
13Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD.
17Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

One would logically assume that a lawyer of Jewish law would know "what" the law was...
...One would also assume that God in answering the lawyer would have affirmed to that lawyer.
...That "the law" was more than the 10 commandments.
...Given that Jesus said the 2nd most important commandment IN THE LAW was found in Deut.

How do you understand this? Do you believe that the 2nd most important commandment was not really part of 'the law'?
...Or perhaps when the lawyer asked Jesus this question the lawyer and Christ believed there were two laws?

 

[ricker]

Yes, you already posted that. What I am saying is, where's the tension between the sacred assembly of Sabbath and the sacred assembly of God's instituted feasts. Both were Holy and worthy to be called sacred assemblies. Difference is, the feast and other ordinances had a fulfillment whereas the aseveneth day Sabbath did not.

What you presented does not forever link the Sabbath to the feasts by making the Sabbath an ordinace or statute... it only identifies them as sacred assemblies, which they both were at the time.

Thanks. I just asked why you thought you saw differences between the weekly sabbath and the other feasts and festivals as written in Lev, 23 and posted it again to remind you what it said.

I know you see the weekly sabbath in a different way than the other feasts and ceremonies and I respect that. I just hope you can see my point of view, too.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Thanks. I just asked why you thought you saw differences between the weekly sabbath and the other feasts and festivals as written in Lev, 23 and posted it again to remind you what it said.

I know you see the weekly sabbath in a different way than the other feasts and ceremonies and I respect that. I just hope you can see my point of view, too.

I totally can see how you and others believe as you do... but we have different vantage points for seeing what we believe.