Working with international clients when it is Sabbath in their time zone

[Eftsoon]

If they are not sabbath keepers, it is not their sabbath keeping time. For future bookings, for your witness and conscience, I would be more careful in the scheduling..thus keeping even the edges of the Sabbath pure.

This appears to be contradictory. Could you please clarify?

 

[visionary]

This appears to be contradictory. Could you please clarify?

If they are not sabbath keepers, then they don't care about the sabbath. For future bookings, for your conscience and witness to your faith, keep your sabbath edges and theirs which means, nothing from thursday sunset to sunday sunset shall be book.

First, figure out the latitude and longitude of your current location. Then, take the latitude and convert it to the opposite hemisphere. For instance, if you're located in New York City your latitude is 40.7128°N simply flip that to -40.7128°S. For longitude, you will have to subtract the longitude of your current location from 180°. In the case of New York City again, you would subtract 74.0059° W from 180°, leaving you with 105.9941°E. Now you can figure out the time of that location and your location.

Since it is theoretically one day before or after [depending on the direction you go and the international date line] you will have to give one day before your sunset and one day after your sunset. to cover everyone in the world's Sabbath.

 

[Eftsoon]

If they are not sabbath keepers, then they don't care about the sabbath. For future bookings, for your conscience and witness to your faith, keep your sabbath edges and theirs which means, nothing from thursday sunset to sunday sunset shall be book.

I'm sorry, but what you're suggesting is not possible. Thank you though.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

I wish I could still eat bacon

I suspect that my livestock don't celebrate Shabbat. (I could be wrong. They haven't told me either way. )

I wouldn't even put my livestock to work on Shabbat. How much more so for a man?

The trouble I have with the argument is that the livestock are considered part of your household and under your direct control whether they work or not. But I think the real question is whether the clients are okay with being met at a time that it would be Shabbat for them?

I'm someone who has a real problem with the rationale of "considering the rest of others" if those people are not Shabbat-keepers and are not going to be resting anyway. We shouldn't be engaging in work or commerce because Scripture commands us not to, but for those who do not keep it, they don't get to rest for even one additional moment because we don't show up to be served by them. I really don't believe it makes any real difference.

 

[GedaliahMaegil]

The trouble I have with the argument is that the livestock are considered part of your household and under your direct control whether they work or not. But I think the real question is whether the clients are okay with being met at a time that it would be Shabbat for them?

I'm someone who has a real problem with the rationale of "considering the rest of others" if those people are not Shabbat-keepers and are not going to be resting anyway. We shouldn't be engaging in work or commerce because Scripture commands us not to, but for those who do not keep it, they don't get to rest for even one additional moment because we don't show up to be served by them. I really don't believe it makes any real difference.

Except that Torah doesn't stop at the boundaries of your dwelling. The point isn't that the non-Torah-observant may make a choice to eschew Shabbat observance; the point is that those who are Torah-observant ought not be aiding and abetting such a thing. HaShem determines what and when Shabbat is, and the faithfully-obedient accept that as true and do not lead either themselves or others to profane it. People will profane HaShem's Shabbat enough on their own; they don't need the faithfully-obedient to defile themselves to make it so.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

Except that Torah doesn't stop at the boundaries of your dwelling. The point isn't that the non-Torah-observant may make a choice to eschew Shabbat observance; the point is that those who are Torah-observant ought not be aiding and abetting such a thing. HaShem determines what and when Shabbat is, and the faithfully-obedient accept that as true and do not lead either themselves or others to profane it. People will profane HaShem's Shabbat enough on their own; they don't need the faithfully-obedient to defile themselves to make it so.

You and I are never going to agree on this because I believe staunchly in not imposing my convictions on others if it doesn't impact my ability to observe what I believe.

 

[GedaliahMaegil]

You and I are never going to agree on this because I believe staunchly in not imposing my convictions on others if it doesn't impact my ability to observe what I believe.

That is the part you don't seem to understand. It's not an imposition on others. It is a refusal to participate in the rebellion of others. I sense a little rebellion in you ... and, from a Biblical standpoint, that has never ended well ...

 

[Eftsoon]

That is the part you don't seem to understand. It's not an imposition on others. It is a refusal to participate in the rebellion of others. I sense a little rebellion in you ... and, from a Biblical standpoint, that has never ended well ...

This is great in principle, but taking what you are proposing to its logical conclusion, would be paralysing. Every commercial and professional act would require complex calculations.

 

[GedaliahMaegil]

This is great in principle, but taking what you are proposing to its logical conclusion, would be paralysing. Every commercial and professional act would require complex calculations.

Is there a question in there somewhere?

 

[Eftsoon]

Is there a question in there somewhere?

I don't want to start getting into debates as a guest here. It appears that there isn't any consensus as of yet. Perhaps it may be reached in the future. Thank you for your input.