Who is calling for women to have headship over their husbands?When the church has power over God, I will tolerate a woman having headship over her husband.
But that isn't the order outlined in scripture, is it?
If it's so great, move over there - liberals seem to hate the U.S. so much they want to change everything. Utopia cannot be achieved by any society because of sin. Wherever you travel, you will find it. We have friends in Denmark and they have visited many times, wanting to live here instead - a much better life they say ... unless you live in one of those sanctuary cities or like California - the whole state. I prefer Texas, this is still the America, land of opportunity, #1 in jobs, great cities, clean air, lots of land.Denmark, Sweden and Finland all are at the top of quality of life rankings. They blow the U.S. out of the water on pretty much all measures. Seriously, sex with animals? Where do you get this stuff? Oh, the NY Post. Lol.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...-20/why-danes-happily-pay-high-rates-of-taxes
It's God's Word, written down by Paul. Paul wrote word for word what He was told to (that's what inspiration is). God gives the prophet His thoughts, being filled with His Spirit and so nothing is contrived by man, that is why it is inerrant. Sometimes the translations are off but not original manuscripts in Greek and Hebrew.I still dont know what reason why Paul would teach this subject? It's like men who come home from a long hard day of work and expect supper to be on the stove when he walks into the kitchen. Without ever realizing his wife had a long hard day too taking care of the kids, cleaning the house, organizing mail and doing the laundry to wash his filthy draws before she scratch that off her to- do list. LoL. Men will never change I guess. Expecting a woman to do everything for him but never watching a game of football with his friends etc. Paul only said women can't preach because they are women, not because they are ministers and preachers. He just said those things cause she is a woman, not because she is preaching...it seems cliche to me a woman isn't allowed to do anything but cook on a hot stove with boiling water. Well men can cook too, so why not get up and cook already if you are so man enough to yell at your woman " where the food at!?!!!!!!? Why you ain't cook no food woman!!!!!?? Whatcha been doing all day?!!!! I still think Paul was persecuting the church a bit though..ha
Who is calling for women to have headship over their husbands?
It's God's Word, written down by Paul. Paul wrote word for word what He was told to
(that's what inspiration is)
God gives the prophet His thoughts, being filled with His Spirit and so nothing is contrived by man, that is why it is inerrant.
If it's so great, move over there - liberals seem to hate the U.S. so much they want to change everything. Utopia cannot be achieved by any society because of sin. Wherever you travel, you will find it. We have friends in Denmark and they have visited many times, wanting to live here instead - a much better life they say ... unless you live in one of those sanctuary cities or like California - the whole state. I prefer Texas, this is still the America, land of opportunity, #1 in jobs, great cities, clean air, lots of land.
QFT!!The "headship philosophers" here can't seem to think of anything outside of terms of headship, hierarchy, and authority. Their worldview seems to be entirely based upon master and slave. Extremely dualistic. If someone wins, then someone else must lose. It's all either/or.
They can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that there is a both/and. That there is a win/win. That God's Kingdom is not about power struggles. That the headship doctrine is false, harmful, and abusive.
She uses scripture not reasoning.
God had a strong word for Judaizers who were trying to force Gentiles to be circumcised. vs. 4 states if they do this, they will be severed from Christ! If they lived by the Law, they have fallen from grace. Actually there are misinterpretations of that verse and better translations:You believe that Paul was told to write "I wish Judaizers would go and castrate themselves"? Galatians 5:12
Their passions drew them away from Christ and towards Satan. Wow, picking out all the scriptures where God's chastising of women?Was Paul told to write that widows under the age of 60 are idle gossipers and deserve no financial assistance from the church? 1 Timothy 5:11-14.
Of course Paul uses his own life experiences. A eunuch can devote more time to the LORD, where as a married person's time is limited. He made the point, which priests throughout the centuries followed.Was Paul told to write that he wished all men were unmarried as he was? 1 Corinthians 7:7
Ridiculous, a little wine is good for stomach problems - but the Bible clearly warns of too much wine and not to be a drunkard.How many people do you know who have started drinking because Paul told Timothy to start drinking wine, 1 Timothy 5:23 - and Paul wrote exactly what he was told to write, so therefore God wants everyone to drink. (Not.)
Right, we are born in sin, it is our nature. We have a dead spirit, void of God that needs to be filled with God and this happens when we are born again. Every man and woman since Adam is born in sin. And yes, God knits us together in the womb. That's just a statement of the miraculous process of growth that takes place from conception to birth - that's the physical body. God later transforms our dead spirit and gives it life.Or even David's words on one occasion that he was evil from birth, Psalms 51:5, to his conviction a while later that God saw him even when he was growing in the womb, Psalms 139:13-15.
What's your point? Each individual finds scriptures that are relevant to their lives more than others, same with churches. In Revelation, letters to the seven churches were all different. Yet these were Church types that were common through the Church Age. Two were faithful and the rest need to repent. Many in these churches weren't even believers, evil, tares, close to dead - so God gave them warnings. All God's warning don't apply to everyone, you may need specific ones, I need others.Some of Paul's letters were to churches that he had not visited for a while, and/or had written to him with problems that they were facing. Each church had different circumstances. I'm sure that when his epistles started to be passed around, the church in Rome would not have have felt they had to obey advice given to the church at Ephesus, who were in a different position - and vice versa. The greetings are a clue to the church at Ephesus, Corinth, Philippi etc.
But Ephesians 5 was written after Jesus. So I don't understand how it no longer applies.Should wives also submit to their Husbands??
That's another million dollar question! The answer to this one goes back to the book of Genesis!
The answer is NO, not anymore....Jesus came to take away our burden which originated from Genesis, due to Man's sin.
Just fed up with the liberals like Bernie Sanders, a socialist, who couldn't stop mentioning Denmark. People don't like it here, move. I love my country too and would rather we remove benefits - that would easily stop illegal immigration (500,000 in the past year). When I said, move there, I did mean legally.“If you think it’s better, then move there.” Kneejerk nonsensical response. Do you think Mexicans should all come to the U.S., or work to make their country better?
I love where I live and my family is here. I live in a place that’s about as close to Northern Europe as you can get in the U.S. I love my country and am working to make it better.
That model of leadership was founded by God.Except that by and large, women seeking to be allowed to preach etc. aren't seeking "to have headship over" anyone. We repudiate that model of leadership altogether.
That model of leadership was founded by God.
God, Christ, man, woman.
It is written..."But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (1 Cor 11:3)
That is what you are trying to repudiate.
How does your POV stand up to..."But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (1 Cor 11:3)That's an assumption on your part.
Not at all. But it must be read critically and in context, and with a hermeneutic which takes consistent account of other parts of Scripture.
I'ld like to remind you of this scripture..."But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (1 Cor 11:3)One of the principles that we aspire to is not to expound one part of scripture in a way that is repugnant to another part of scripture. There is in scripture (and I am not about to get into a verse sling contest) more than enough that argues for equality or complementarity or an egalitarian view of people of diverse gender, including examples of women taking a role in leadership and indeed to first proclamation of the resurrection. The issue ultimately comes down to the nature of the headship you are asserting, and indeed your understanding of the ministry of the Church. Clearly we have a different view on these things, however resolution is unlikely while you assert intellectual crudeties such as the words 'the church has power over God' which is clearly and self evidently not a proposition being asserted by anyone here.
That model of leadership was founded by God.
God, Christ, man, woman. It is written..."But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (1 Cor 11:3)
That is what you are trying to repudiate.
Really?No, it is written ONCE in ONE verse - that doesn't make it fact or applicable to everyone.
Once in One chapter?If it DID, then God would not have chosen Deborah to be judge over all of Israel.
I have no problem with women being selected by God to relay His words to "men".He would not have chosen women to be prophetesses and give his word to men - e.g Deborah, Huldah.
You are confusing "reporting the news" with "teaching men".Jesus would not have chosen to appear to Mary Magdalene first of all after the resurrection; he would have gone to the men. Furthermore, he would have taught that women could not speak his word, teach or be his witnesses because Eve sinned before Adam did, and therefore they are not reliable.
He didn't teach anything of the sort.
You must have at least one NT scripture stating that women can lead the body of Christ in order to make such a statement.No.
Many are preaching and pastoring churches because they testify that God has called them to do this. After prayer, guiding, talking with male clergy and so on, they all believe that God - who gives ALL authority - is calling them to do this.
Judges aren't leaders, they are judges.Maybe you'd better tell God that, so he won't call women to lead.
Like I said, Deborah was judge over all Israel.
I'll stick with what is written...Including..."This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.As does suppressing people and not allowing them to do what God has called them to do.
The gifts, including Pastor, Ephesians 4:11, are given for building up the body, Ephesians 4:12.
Women who usurp ministry ARE "of themselves".Hey look, i believe when God's people become empowered preist and preistesses of him, it isn't them working alone, it's the power of God, the holy spirit working through these people. They are no longer of themselves.They have become a temple, a temple built by God, the house in which he dwells in now. They are one with the holy spirit which makes them one with the word of God. Tell me I am wrong here, please do. It ain't the woman preaching, it's God within preaching through her. There is neither male or female for the bible says we are all one in our precious Lord Jesus Christ. And because we are one in all and because we are a special people, a chosen royal preisthood, I believe God can come in any form he pleases, may it be a small child, a man or a woman, when God is known Almighty and his ways are established in a way no one can completely understand him in a way no one can fathom his truths, I truly think God can do the impossible cause Jesus said in the Bible with man nothing is possible but with God, our almighty everlasting father, nothing is impossible.We only need see and believe cause when we believe something we are seeing it and I see it and the reason I see it is because with God and in God I can believe all things. I really don't understand the point Paul was making there, I guess he was just teaching all things without limit which only the spirit brings and while I really believe Paul was a true apostle of Jesus and the holy spirit was upon him, I also believe in a part of that teaching he was still persecuting the church in some way. lol and I don't think nothing bad of him, why would I? He was a apostle of Jesus and welcomed in God's family thereafter. I'm just saying when I read some of his stuff, he did sound quite a bit boastful. that's all. Oh and btw, i believe wives can take care of thier husbands just as the husband has that kind of authority over her to take care of her also. It's not a one way street but they are suppose to be in the same direction. What does any of this mean? Does it really matter? We are in a new age now anyway...so
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