Wolves

[GreenMunchkin]

so then live by default and stop making this situation so difficult.

Difficult for who? You realise this is my home forum, right? People are allowed to discuss theology and ask for advice in their congregational forums...

 

[Im_A]

Difficult for who? You realise this is my home forum, right? People are allowed to discuss theology and ask for advice in their congregational forums...

hmm interesting response after i responded and made sure i put the emotioncon to show i wasn't meaning to be demeaning to your topic, but that's ok.

it is rather irrelevant to me if this is your personal home forum. my home forum is WWMC and people come in giving us advice. we're brethern right? we're posting on an internet forum right? and we're allowed to go in other congregational forums and discuss but we are not to debate and i have not been debating about anything so far just answering OP's, so that is why the point that this is your home forum is really irrelevant to me. that's good for you and have fun with it.

my response was my advice and nothing more. you said we should love by default, and as far as i'm concerned...there is your answer to your own question. take care!

 

[GreenMunchkin]

hmm interesting response after i responded and made sure i put the emotioncon to show i wasn't meaning to be demeaning to your topic, but that's ok.

it is rather irrelevant to me if this is your personal home forum. my home forum is WWMC and people come in giving us advice. we're brethern right? we're posting on an internet forum right? and we're allowed to go in other congregational forums and discuss but we are not to debate and i have not been debating about anything so far just answering OP's, so that is why the point that this is your home forum is really irrelevant to me. that's good for you and have fun with it.

my response was my advice and nothing more. you said we should love by default, and as far as i'm concerned...there is your answer to your own question. take care!

Che? Ok, am completely lost... Huh. Well, anyway, take care, too

 

[Time2BCounted]

hmm interesting response after i responded and made sure i put the emotioncon to show i wasn't meaning to be demeaning to your topic, but that's ok.

it is rather irrelevant to me if this is your personal home forum. my home forum is WWMC and people come in giving us advice. we're brethern right? we're posting on an internet forum right? and we're allowed to go in other congregational forums and discuss but we are not to debate and i have not been debating about anything so far just answering OP's, so that is why the point that this is your home forum is really irrelevant to me. that's good for you and have fun with it.

my response was my advice and nothing more. you said we should love by default, and as far as i'm concerned...there is your answer to your own question. take care!

tattered saint

Lets say you are a real sheep... a lamb... you see a wolf and think "O ANOTHER ANIMAL!... I WILL GO AND JUST CUDDLE UP"

What would happen next and how many bites before that lamb is dead?

 

[Im_A]

tattered saint

Lets say you are a real sheep... a lamb... you see a wolf and think "O ANOTHER ANIMAL!... I WILL GO AND JUST CUDDLE UP"

What would happen next and how many bites before that lamb is dead?

well i'd probably run away out of mere fear trying to think how i'd react as a sheep even tho i'm a human. and how many bites? depends on how hungry the wolves are. what's your point?

(btw-the name i use on here is tattedsaint. it's not that hard to give respect to people who post on here by actually using the name that they choose, since the space makes it shown it wasn't accidental. if you don't like my name just quick "quote" next time ok?)

 

[Im_A]

tattered saint

Lets say you are a real sheep... a lamb... you see a wolf and think "O ANOTHER ANIMAL!... I WILL GO AND JUST CUDDLE UP"

What would happen next and how many bites before that lamb is dead?

Che? Ok, am completely lost... Huh. Well, anyway, take care, too

i got lost by your other response as well. live well

 

[MrJim]

(btw-the name i use on here is tattedsaint. it's not that hard to give respect to people who post on here by actually using the name that they choose, since the space makes it shown it wasn't accidental. if you don't like my name just quick "quote" next time ok?)

I think it's that light colored font that's thrown T2, he's not a disrespectful guy, just kinda old and dimmed vision like me

TatteredSaint wouldn't be a bad username though

 

[GreenMunchkin]

i got lost by your other response as well. live well

This is gonna bug me if we don't clarify

Which response of mine fuddled you?

 

[Im_A]

I think it's that light colored font that's thrown T2, he's not a disrespectful guy, just kinda old and dimmed vision like me

TatteredSaint wouldn't be a bad username though

oh i thought about that before in our other conversations. but when i see it typed out as "tattered saint" it seems rather on purpose. and i'm not meaning to say that T2 is a disrespectful type of guy. honestly he's a reason why i ventured over here because he is very respectful in WWMC so i figure i'll venture into the far off land of CC here at CF.

it's just it feels a bit disrespectful because i've seen it time and time around here and it just gets old. i always dismiss the first one because of the font color. then when i constantly see it time and time again, it just bugs me.

 

[Im_A]

This is gonna bug me if we don't clarify

Which response of mine fuddled you?

this one did

Difficult for who? You realise this is my home forum, right? People are allowed to discuss theology and ask for advice in their congregational forums...

i didn't understand why that was needed for our conversation because i wasn't questioning or trying to say, dont' come here to your home forum and ask concerns or anything along that lines.

my reply that got that was just my advice to not make it so difficult by how we deal with people we consider "wolves" and just live by default as you say which is to love them. i hope that's a way to start our conversation over because i didn't mean for it to get array

 

[GreenMunchkin]

this one did


i didn't understand why that was needed for our conversation because i wasn't questioning or trying to say, dont' come here to your home forum and ask concerns or anything along that lines.

my reply that got that was just my advice to not make it so difficult by how we deal with people we consider "wolves" and just live by default as you say which is to love them. i hope that's a way to start our conversation over because i didn't mean for it to get array

Ahhh!! Ok, now we're on the same page

I thought you meant my even asking the question was my trying to make things difficult. Hence my ness...

I get you now. No, you're absolutely welcome here and it's good to get your thoughts on it

 

[Time2BCounted]

well i'd probably run away out of mere fear trying to think how i'd react as a sheep even tho i'm a human. and how many bites? depends on how hungry the wolves are. what's your point?

(btw-the name i use on here is tattedsaint. it's not that hard to give respect to people who post on here by actually using the name that they choose, since the space makes it shown it wasn't accidental. if you don't like my name just quick "quote" next time ok?)

how about TS
Jim is right i cant see your font lol

Ok heres the point... the scripture tells us there are wolves... you yourself now say that if you were a lamb you would run from the wolves. Why is this differant in the spirit? Answer: Its not

Run or be armed with a sword which is the word of God and then the sheep stand together as an armed flock and can protect one another from being devoured

 

[Im_A]

how about TS
Jim is right i cant see your font lol

Ok heres the point... the scripture tells us there are wolves... you yourself now say that if you were a lamb you would run from the wolves. Why is this differant in the spirit? Answer: Its not

Run or be armed with a sword which is the word of God and then the sheep stand together as an armed flock and can protect one another from being devoured

while i see your point, i see a few issues at hand and i hope this is not seen as debating because i know the rules and i don't want to start debating and breaking rules and causing a ruckus here but i just would like to point out some issues i see with that kind of thinking for our faith.

first off...who are they wolves? what is the "wolf" in the spiritual/metaphorical sense, or in the historical context that the Gospels writers wrote it to be not just us trying to use scriptures for our lives in the 21st century?

secondly...shouldn't we as Christians be strong enough to not have to equip ourselves with swords, and be like Christ? whom stood up and said, those who live by the sword will die by it, and who sacrificed his life? yes Christ did use the sword, or "word" when he stood up to the devil which could be seen as a "wolf". and yes we see Christ standing up in the temple to the "wolves". but predominantly we don't see such a fighting characteristic Christ.

so why do we have think we have to equip ourselvse for battle all the time as in what your saying with the wolves and the sheep when we have the power of God in us? where is the real threat to our faith? where are the wolves that we are speaking about? who are they? the wolves need ministered too, not fought off with a "sword" or the scriptures.

it seems so weak, and so fleshly to think we have to battle back...ie, eye for an eye.

plus this is an odd topic to be discussing with this. it's so metaphorical. who you see as the wolves, i may not see, thus our discussion is only relevant to our own perspectives. but i have enjoyed it thus far.

 

[MrJim]

I think historically wolves have referred to those of a predatory nature~especially in positions of authority or influence.

I tend to think more along the lines of some rather unsavory televangelists myself....

 

[Speculative]

Hey Speculative

Hey back at you, MrJim.

God Bless

 

[Time2BCounted]

hello speculative
just thought i would welcome you to the forum. I know you may be hesitant to post, but we dont bite i promise

Also we have a debate sub forum that nonmembers can debate with us in or discuss, so make yerself at home

 

[razzelflabben]

Both, I would add to that the pastor/elder of the local congregation as well.

They all function as shephards.. and I think you go up the chain. Go to the local elder, he should then take up the issue.. if he doesn't then go to the bishop, or whatever authority your denomination has over pastors.

The scriptural standard on dealing with a problem between people in the church is that you first go to the person, then you go to the preson with a witness.. then you go to the elders etc.

I think that a similar idea works with false prophets/teachers. This is, of course, assuming that they are in your local congregation.

I see two problems here, 1. what if the pastor is the wolf and 2. how do we identify the wolf to throw up the warning?

 

[Time2BCounted]

Hi Razz, welcome and great questions...

 

[razzelflabben]

I believe in arming the flock with swords. A wolf or even a pack of 4-5 stand no chance against 100 sheep with swords

We learn the word then, discern according to the word, weighing even the unpleasant, and then stand together against it, back to back as a flock, giving the word itself and standing on it unmovably, is some mighty sword slinging

isn't the image of the sheep, those who follow "anyone" or "anything". That is to say easily swayed. That would make the sheep not good at determining who is and who is not a wolf would it?

Some time ago, I was on a thread that supposedly was addressing the idea of how to identify the wolves among us, or at least false teachers. I was disturbed by how many people dismissed scriptures and argued for or against favorite teachers rather than to measure by God's criteria. So the question then is 1. how do you identify them, and 2. when they are identified how do you warn the sheep without harming those same sheep, especially if the sheep want the wolf there?

 

[razzelflabben]

how about TS
Jim is right i cant see your font lol

Ok heres the point... the scripture tells us there are wolves... you yourself now say that if you were a lamb you would run from the wolves. Why is this differant in the spirit? Answer: Its not

Run or be armed with a sword which is the word of God and then the sheep stand together as an armed flock and can protect one another from being devoured

The image of sheep with swords kind of disturbs me, I see the sheep so startled at the mention of wolves that they attack anything that moves, including each other. Sounds like a lot of churches today, sheep attacking each other rather than the enemy. Ah well, it isn't all bad to arm sheep with swords I guess.