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Wokeness the Death of Science in the Western World

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It's certainly not....but we are talking about people who have, for all effective purposes, joined a religious movement that believes in their own underserved righteousness and in the evil of those who have been more successful than them.
It's interesting that you picked up on that, I've been feeling that wokness has the taste of a cult for some time now, it has all the ear markings of one.
The other interesting thing I have noted is Christians, Muslims, the Jewish community and atheists have all said things against it. Four groups that have little in common normally can all see that wokness is the downfall of society in so many ways. It's obviously against the main truths of these main religions but its also against science, common sense and how markets and economies work.
I think its been planned for a long time with seeds being sewn since the 60's. They somehow think it will lead to some kind of utopia when all it will lead to is the ruin of society. In 1999 we were worried about the Millennium Bug, we should have been worried about the beginnings of this absolute insanity.

Its all through not just universities and politics, but doctors and teachers and media. The average person parrots it back like someone drugged them up and they have no brain to think with. It's like a spreading cancer. Today was the first time I was asked my pronouns *eye roll* I'm she because I'm a woman, the end.


"Ok....so something like the Amish or more primitive?"
This can be done in smaller areas and should be done where it can. Thinking of our small island state of Tasmania, its power mainly comes from hydroelectric. But on a larger scale they expect the entire country to be 100% renewable by 2025. Obviously we have a much smaller population but that doesn't mean more renewable sources can't supplement whatever system a country already has in place.

Capitalism has nothing to do with greed.
It's more prone to greed without some kind of checks in place in certain circumstances. Capitalism and socialism can work together. As an American you will probably disagree, but the American health system comes to mind as an example of the dangers of completely unchecked capitalism. I believe the government doesn't put a cap on doctors or Big Pharma and they can charge whatever they like. This is probably fine for the wealthy but less so for the middle and lower middle classes who earn too much to qualify for the free bread crumb system your country has but really not enough for the medical bills I have seen. There is a reason 66.5% of bankruptcies in the US are due to medical debt. To me that clearly says something is wrong and needs changing.
Most developed countries have a government based health care system in place, so it can and does work.
Australia has a market capitalist system and profit is still a component to our health system since we do have private health providers, private hospitals, insurance etc but we also have a robust government based health care system. For example the average cost for one brand-name asthma inhaler without insurance in the US is $292.91 while here in Australia it's about $40. How is someone on a lower end wage supposed to afford that? It isn't a luxury like a TV, its someones life. Meanwhile they will be spending far less money on commodities like electronics due to the money going towards their health.

These things don't have to be an either or situation.
 
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Putin has made it clear that they have wholesale rejected the concept of anything more than 2 genders. Whatever reason he has for changing words...it's not wokeness. What is clear is that no one doubts whether or not effective manipulation of people is possible by changing words.

This isn't normal, and I think we have reached a point where the mere possibility of being honest with each other disappears or is in danger....should we allow the private sector to infringe upon public speech.

I'm not sure what Putin has to do with my post. I mentioned what my instructor had told me about the Soviet Union in the 1960s, when she was a teenager. Putin is probably around her age (I haven't seen her in 20+ years by this point, but I'm pretty sure she was in her 50s then), so they probably grew up around the same time and witnessed at least some of the same things, but from what I understand of his career working in the government prior to the post-Soviet period, he did not even join the KGB until 1975. Besides, the point of my post was to provide an example of how it has long been the case outside of the modern 'woke' West that governments have had an interest in officially promoting language change in this particular area of life, not to discuss what particular individuals in power now think about 'wokeness'. I think there are much more interesting examples of pushback against 'wokeness' in Europe among modern leaders there than Putin, if that's what we want to discuss. (The equally 'anti-woke' Orban regime in Hungary, for instance.)
 
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It's interesting that you picked up on that, I've been feeling that wokness has the taste of a cult for some time now, it has all the ear markings of one.

I stopped calling myself a liberal pretty early on....2014-2016 I think. I had noticed some bad ideas that were dogmatic in nature (meaning unproven and must be accepted on someone's word) were spreading....and I no longer agreed.


The other interesting thing I have noted is Christians, Muslims, the Jewish community and atheists have all said things against it. Four groups that have little in common normally can all see that wokness is the downfall of society in so many ways.

Well it's roots in Marxism mean it fails in real time....and provides no solutions. Remember when we had people who wanted to defund the police and rioted until they had been depleted? That hasn't had any good results anywhere. Worse I think are their plans for education. It's entirely possible we're watching the complete liquidation of the middle class which has shrinking for years.



It's obviously against the main truths of these main religions but its also against science, common sense and how markets and economies work.
I think its been planned for a long time with seeds being sewn since the 60's. They somehow think it will lead to some kind of utopia when all it will lead to is the ruin of society. In 1999 we were worried about the Millennium Bug, we should have been worried about the beginnings of this absolute insanity.

It's bizarre to watch people I formerly regarded as sensible go along to get along. I can understand though....it's a survival strategy.


Its all through not just universities and politics, but doctors and teachers and media. The average person parrots it back like someone drugged them up and they have no brain to think with. It's like a spreading cancer. Today was the first time I was asked my pronouns *eye roll* I'm she because I'm a woman, the end.

I am fortunate enough to have a job that I won't have to deal with such things.


"Ok....so something like the Amish or more primitive?"
This can be done in smaller areas and should be done where it can. Thinking of our small island state of Tasmania, its power mainly comes from hydroelectric. But on a larger scale they expect the entire country to be 100% renewable by 2025.

What does that mean? Renewable?
Capitalism has nothing to do with greed.
It's more prone to greed without some kind of checks in place in certain circumstances. Capitalism and socialism can work together. As an American you will probably disagree, but the American health system comes to mind as an example of the dangers of completely unchecked capitalism. I believe the government doesn't put a cap on doctors or Big Pharma and they can charge whatever they like. This is probably fine for the wealthy but less so for the middle and lower middle classes who earn too much to qualify for the free bread crumb system your country has but really not enough for the medical bills I have seen. There is a reason 66.5% of bankruptcies in the US are due to medical debt. To me that clearly says something is wrong and needs changing.

I don't disagree. If you understand how markets work its hard to argue we make product choices in healthcare. We don't for many many things....like medication. Most people struggle to figure out the benefits of one plan compared to another and those plans are essentially just group funding middle men who make the cheapest choices possible.


Most developed countries have a government based health care system in place, so it can and does work.
Australia has a market capitalist system and profit is still a component to our health system since we do have private health providers, private hospitals, insurance etc but we also have a robust government based health care system. For example the average cost for one brand-name asthma inhaler without insurance in the US is $292.91 while here in Australia it's about $40. How is someone on a lower end wage supposed to afford that? It isn't a luxury like a TV, its someones life. Meanwhile they will be spending far less money on commodities like electronics due to the money going towards their health.

These things don't have to be an either or situation.

It's actually far far worse than you probably realize. If I was going to critique capitalism in general it starts with a very basic but genuine problem....there's no advantage to teaching everyone how it works or operates. If you genuinely understand the specifics of a market...you can profit easily from it....and become a competitor to those who already do. At the other end of the process, where the state deals with major international corporations ...there are tremendous advantages conferred to working with monopolies that have significantly advanced technology. If you don't take those advantages....you risk another nation doing so.
 
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You can usually tell when that happens because it's preceded by a memo or otherwise transmitted message to stop using one definition and begin using another.

Spontaneous changes happen without any instructions.
I understand your reasoning but that does not actually address the differences, particularly in the context of spiritual warfare. To be clear, propaganda is about turning positives into negatives and negatives into positives, or making them appear neutral, so that no positives or negatives can be discerned between a lie and the truth.

An obstacle to overcome is that in an east/west left/right dichotomy both sides have subjective negatives and positives that are opposite in the opposing subjective view (just like in a mirror), and therefore both are seen as equally valid in the objective view. Having said that, there are ways the True positive in a North/south dichotomy can be discerned because there's a difference between a lie being introduced to the gullible and the Truth being introduced to the deceived.

The reasoning you are using does not take the above circumstances into account. For example, the spirit of the devil in the world is propagating his image of god, (a vain spirit in terms of glory and honor), using subtle linguistics in the thoughts happening in our mind, and people might think it's spontaneous when in fact it's not. And therefore, those propagating the Christ Image of God (The Altruistic Spirit in the terms of glory and honor) might in due diligence send a memo making sure everyone is qualifying the terms correctly so as to negate the latest false premise, because they want to guard against inadvertently projecting a false image.
It's certainly not....but we are talking about people who have, for all effective purposes, joined a religious movement that believes in their own underserved righteousness and in the evil of those who have been more successful than them. While the religion strives constantly to perfect a blueprint for revolution....it never once tries anything remotely similar for the creation of the supposedly equitable society their revolution serves. In fact, there quite simply is no blueprint for this equitable society....it's assumed to be a trifle, something easily achieved, and the only thing standing in it's way is this evil upper class that's only living for greed.

Sweep them away....either violently or not....and the betterment of all can begin.

Machiavelli once wrote (and I'm paraphrasing here) that's there's nothing more perilous, less likely to succeed, than a new way of doing things....and if one is resolved to undertake such an effort, they should proceed with great caution and care.

If we can just for a moment assume Machiavelli is correct...then it would be prudent for Marxists to understand everything they can about the current way of doing things....and planning out the new way....well before any revolution is ever planned. Indeed, if one was concerned about the poor...this is obviously what they should do....for the poor will be hurt first by sweeping away the old order. This never actually happens though. Marxists think first of overthrowing the old order....and if any genuine concern for the poor exists, it's an afterthought at best. I've met Marxists smart about a lot of things...but I've never seen one that actually understood markets, basic economics, or the actual processes that create our economies. Capitalism is just the name used to broadly describe these things. They see it only as a mysterious enemy....so they know nothing about it. Only once they've destroyed it completely is their folly revealed....and in order to maintain power, an absurd farce has to play out where innocents are blamed for failures, and only ruthless tyrants can maintain control through violence.
I agree with your intended sentiment above, but respectfully your articulation shows you need to work on your psycholinguistics so that your sentiments will project faith and not cynicism ( Faith in brotherly Love... aaaand ---> that brotherly Love is God's Spirit in us bestowed according to His grace, rather than a product of one's personal effort). Example: You said:

"....we are talking about people who have, for all effective purposes, joined a religious movement that believes in their own underserved righteousness and in the evil of those who have been more successful than them".

"Righteousness" is a gift from God and is not deserved/earned by any creature (to think otherwise promotes vanity). So, when you say a "religious movement that believes in their own undeserved righteousness" it projects that there is a righteousness that is deserved/earned. And when you say "and in the evil of those who have been more successful than them", it projects that success equates with wealth which equates with righteousness, when in fact righteousness equates with taking care of the poor, not accruing wealth. It therefore also projects cynicism by doubting the motives of "these people".


Ok....so something like the Amish or more primitive?
Not exactly. The Amish have a good motive, but advances in technology and industry should not be discounted as a practical means of achieving sustainability.
That would require the slaughter of around 7 billion people.

To be sustainable, we would have to eliminate all products that cannot be grown or replaced at a pace at least equivalent to that which they can be replenished. Essentially, a pre-industrial society.

And it's worth pointing out any such society would almost immediately become subjugated by a modern industrial society.
I don't believe any of this is true. The fact is without a sustainable life-style we create a dysfunctional society. So we can't think in terms that say it's not possible. We need to have love, faith, hope.
Capitalism has nothing to do with greed.
Nor does putting the needs of the poor first.
He suggested a progressive tax system to avoid monopolies or other situations of market collusion which corrupt the process of economics by ending competition within a market.
These are the thoughts I am referring to:

"The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess …. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

~~Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations
Yeah it's kind of funny how similar that sounds to "from each according to his ability" and if compared together it seems apparent to me that Marx not only convinced people he understood economics by ripping off Smith....but his best criticisms of Capitalism are also ripped off from Smith. It seems almost certain that Marx was fully aware he was nothing more than a huckster. His idea of "class consciousness" is a full blown denial of what Smith called "rational self interest".
But there is an authoritative Truth that we learn and are subject to and it's not a rip off to repeat it and teach it.
When I say failed....I mean it failed immediately. It fails in real time. It fails as it's implemented. All freedom has to be stripped from society to create equity....and once you realize that you will never better yourself or those you love beyond the same state as those who contribute nothing at all....you have no reason to strive or work for anything. Gunpoint labor follows shortly after. If it doesn't....the level of degradation and inhumanity that ensues makes fascists look almost kind by comparison.
I understand your sentiment above. In spiritual warfare, one has to distinguish the difference between being lazy by wanting everything handed to you, and being lazy by controlling the necessities and exploiting others as a cash cow. I see the spirit of the devil as using semantics to play both ends against the middle in these dichotomies, democracy/autocracy, socialism/capitalism.

What is polarization? It's two dogs leashed together spending all their energy choking each other to death because they can't agree, only because when they face each other left/right and right/left appear as opposite directions in their linguistics even though they would not disagree on what is North/south in their intended sentiments.
 
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How terrible that someone showed you common courtesy.

I would think it rather uncommon, if today was the first time that she was asked.

I've only seen it on forms from my HMO and at the doctors' office. In real life, I've never been asked. Probably because I'm clearly a man and have a beard. Anyway, it's still fairly easy to avoid (even here in the ultra-liberal U.S. state of California, where I live), which makes the idea that this is just an everyday part of showing people common courtesy seem rather odd. It seems that this is something that some people want to integrate into everyday conversation, but it's probably less useful than it is awkward, in the majority of contexts.
 
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I would think it rather uncommon, if today was the first time that she was asked.

I've only seen it on forms from my HMO and at the doctors' office. In real life, I've never been asked. Probably because I'm clearly a man and have a beard. Anyway, it's still fairly easy to avoid (even here in the ultra-liberal U.S. state of California, where I live), which makes the idea that this is just an everyday part of showing people common courtesy seem rather odd. It seems that this is something that some people want to integrate into everyday conversation, but it's probably less useful than it is awkward, in the majority of contexts.
That's because I'm a hermit.
 
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We had plenty of common curtsy through the 70,80,90's and nobody asked about pronouns, however did we live?
When you say 'we' you clearly do not refer to people to whom pronouns are important. How terrible that more rather than fewer people can experience courtesy in the 20s.
 
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Today was the first time I was asked my pronouns *eye roll* I'm she because I'm a woman, the end.
People need to learn how semantical confusion occurs. Woke is a neutral term unless qualified otherwise. Please note: I've never been asked, but just like you, if I were asked *eye roll* I'd say I'm a he because I'm a male, so just like you, I'm woke so as to know what they are talking about, and it isn't Marxism.
 
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When you say 'we' you clearly do not refer to people to whom pronouns are important. How terrible that more rather than fewer people can experience courtesy in the 20s.

Coutesy that includes slinging around insults like"Nazi, fascist, racist" at people they disagree with. Along with 'canceling' doxing and writing signs calling for decapitation. Yes I can see just how courteous they are.
 
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When you say 'we' you clearly do not refer to people to whom pronouns are important. How terrible that more rather than fewer people can experience courtesy in the 20s.
I had to learn a little Spanish to talk to my neighbors. They had a pained look on their face when listening to me, but I think they appreciated the effort.
 
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I understand your reasoning but that does not actually address the differences, particularly in the context of spiritual warfare.

To be clear, as an atheist, I doubt I'll be able to say anything of substance to you on "spiritual warfare" nor you to me.

To be clear, propaganda is about turning positives into negatives and negatives into positives, or making them appear neutral, so that no positives or negatives can be discerned between a lie and the truth.

The word propaganda indicates the propagation of an idea deliberately. It isn't something that happens on its own....hence my previous mention of memos.

I would suggest if one meaning was deliberately propagated and then naturally turned into a pejorative....the pejorative is more accurate in definition.

An obstacle to overcome is that in an east/west left/right dichotomy both sides have subjective negatives and positives that are opposite in the opposing subjective view (just like in a mirror), and therefore both are seen as equally valid in the objective view.

It sounds like you're asking me to try and overcome an objective viewpoint.

Having said that, there are ways the True positive in a North/south dichotomy can be discerned because there's a difference between a lie being introduced to the gullible and the Truth being introduced to the deceived.

I'm at the edge of my seat to hear how you discern the two.


The reasoning you are using does not take the above circumstances into account. For example, the spirit of the devil in the world is propagating his image of god, (a vain spirit in terms of glory and honor), using subtle linguistics in the thoughts happening in our mind, and people might think it's spontaneous when in fact it's not.

Uh huh.



And therefore, those propagating the Christ Image of God (The Altruistic Spirit in the terms of glory and honor) might in due diligence send a memo making sure everyone is qualifying the terms correctly so as to negate the latest false premise, because they want to guard against inadvertently projecting a false image.

This assumes I would ever need my fellow man to tell me how to speak for myself.

It's an idea so completely repulsive, so deliberately insulting, that the moment someone does this in my presence they have named themselves as foolish forever in my eyes. To demand it of me makes them a kind of petty tyrant.

If I need to know what a word means....I'll ask.


I agree with your intended sentiment above, but respectfully your articulation shows you need to work on your psycholinguistics so that your sentiments will project faith and not cynicism ( Faith in brotherly Love... aaaand ---> that brotherly Love is God's Spirit in us bestowed according to His grace, rather than a product of one's personal effort). Example: You said:

I did not intend to project faith in my fellow man....I did intend to project cynicism of his motives. I know a power struggle when I see people insist upon my silence or allegiance. They can have neither.


"....we are talking about people who have, for all effective purposes, joined a religious movement that believes in their own underserved righteousness and in the evil of those who have been more successful than them".

"Righteousness" is a gift from God and is not deserved/earned by any creature (to think otherwise promotes vanity). So, when you say a "religious movement that believes in their own undeserved righteousness" it projects that there is a righteousness that is deserved/earned. And when you say "and in the evil of those who have been more successful than them", it projects that success equates with wealth which equates with righteousness, when in fact righteousness equates with taking care of the poor, not accruing wealth. It therefore also projects cynicism by doubting the motives of "these people".

I'm not equating success with righteousness. I'm equating righteousness or rather, righteous struggle with a struggle that is undertaken on behalf of another and of no personal benefit. We all struggle for ourselves....that's the nature of humanity. To struggle righteously though...is to put aside your struggle and help with someone else's.

Would you not agree?


Not exactly. The Amish have a good motive, but advances in technology and industry should not be discounted as a practical means of achieving sustainability.

We aren't pulling an infinite amount of resources out of the ground....nor are we ever going to. I don't know what you think is sustainable.

I don't believe any of this is true. The fact is without a sustainable life-style we create a dysfunctional society. So we can't think in terms that say it's not possible. We need to have love, faith, hope.

Faith and hope doesn't put food on the table.

Nor does putting the needs of the poor first.

Ahhh...and here we have it. Who does that?


These are the thoughts I am referring to:

"The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess …. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

~~Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations

Here's a good article which might provide some larger context. I read the book once....it's long, ponderous, and full of difficult contradiction. I don't claim to understand it best, but I can't remember the full context of your quote either. We agree he advocated for a progressive tax system...but I saw his larger point being about how lack of competition destroys markets.






But there is an authoritative Truth that we learn and are subject to and it's not a rip off to repeat it and teach it.

I'm not certain what you mean by this.

I think it's clear your route to "truth" is different from mine.


I understand your sentiment above. In spiritual warfare, one has to distinguish the difference between being lazy by wanting everything handed to you, and being lazy by controlling the necessities and exploiting others as a cash cow. I see the spirit of the devil as using semantics to play both ends against the middle in these dichotomies, democracy/autocracy, socialism/capitalism.

It's a sad thing when I have to side with few and powerful against the many and weak....but regardless, before anything else, I must consider the wisdom of each side and what it claims to pursue and by what means. As to the many abd weak....I don't see any plan beyond a degrading slide into tribalistic racism, sexism, and "othering" of one's fellow man. I don't have to help the mighty and few....but I reject notions I should lower myself to such degradation for nothing.

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What is polarization? It's two dogs leashed together spending all their energy choking each other to death because they can't agree, only because when they face each other left/right and right/left appear as opposite directions in their linguistics even though they would not disagree on what is North/south in their intended sentiments.

Again, you're welcome to your views regarding spiritual warfare but I don't think people who demand a change in definition through shaming, memo, ostracization, humiliation, reputation damage, or character smears are good people. There is after all, a natural telos to words. They exist to convey meaning. Meaning that is clear creates understanding. Meaning that is unclear obfuscates understanding. While I can understand times when vague concepts can fail to convey clear meaning....the deliberate obfuscation of a definition by moving from a clear definition of great utility to a definition without any clear meaning or even less utility is an attempt at control of power of expression.

I see no reason to concede to it.
 
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I stopped calling myself a liberal pretty early on....2014-2016 I think. I had noticed some bad ideas that were dogmatic in nature (meaning unproven and must be accepted on someone's word) were spreading....and I no longer agreed.
I like to say the train moved leaving behind all the reasonable liberals at the station.

This use of the word liberal only works in the US, as down here the Liberal party is actually the right leaning party and the Labour party is the left leaning party. So when an Aussie says I voted liberal they are actually conservative. I guess we are known for flipping things. ^_^
Well it's roots in Marxism mean it fails in real time....and provides no solutions. Remember when we had people who wanted to defund the police and rioted until they had been depleted? That hasn't had any good results anywhere. Worse I think are their plans for education. It's entirely possible we're watching the complete liquidation of the middle class which has shrinking for years.
I saw that, absolutely crazy. They never have solutions. Its the same when people say Australia should stop selling coal, well okay but what should we do to make up for the loss of that incoming money and jobs? If a good solution can be found we should take it, but often these things are said with no solutions even thought about.
I can see liquidation of the middle classes happening.
It's bizarre to watch people I formerly regarded as sensible go along to get along. I can understand though....it's a survival strategy.
Sometimes its survival other times they have completely lost their minds to it. They genuinely believe its a great thing for society and there is no reasoning with them. No middle ground.

I am fortunate enough to have a job that I won't have to deal with such things.
I am basically retired, but still.
What does that mean? Renewable?
Renewable energy is energy derived from natural sources such as sunlight and wind that are replenished at a higher rate than they are consumed. We are the perfect place for this to work, due to being large with low population.
I am all for a cheap and renewable source of power that actually works. Which are the key things people often overlooked when talking about making changes. Does this action make both economic sense as well as working properly and advance the nation? Feel good vibes won't keep your fridge running.
I don't disagree. If you understand how markets work its hard to argue we make product choices in healthcare. We don't for many many things....like medication. Most people struggle to figure out the benefits of one plan compared to another and those plans are essentially just group funding middle men who make the cheapest choices possible.

It's actually far far worse than you probably realize. If I was going to critique capitalism in general it starts with a very basic but genuine problem....there's no advantage to teaching everyone how it works or operates. If you genuinely understand the specifics of a market...you can profit easily from it....and become a competitor to those who already do. At the other end of the process, where the state deals with major international corporations ...there are tremendous advantages conferred to working with monopolies that have significantly advanced technology. If you don't take those advantages....you risk another nation doing so.
It probably is worse, I have not looked into it deeply.
I think the way western countries are going they will be ripe for other nations to not just take over with more advanced technologies but to invade. A lot of people say that TicTok was designed by China to deliberately corrupt the mind of the youth. Whether that is true or not doesn't matter, it has overtaken the minds of many of the young and impressionable.
 
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I understand your reasoning but that does not actually address the differences, particularly in the context of spiritual warfare. To be clear, propaganda is about turning positives into negatives and negatives into positives, or making them appear neutral, so that no positives or negatives can be discerned between a lie and the truth.
I agree this is at its deepest level a spiritual mater but then I am a Christian and a fairly traditional one.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

I preferred the site when members religious or non religious 'labels' were under their name. Helped to know what type of dialogue or questions to use.
After clicking around more I realized the labels are in fact still there just hidden under a small arrow, ah to not be nearly blind.
 
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I like to say the train moved leaving behind all the reasonable liberals at the station.

It sure seems that way...but certain assumptions about liberal politics are in doubt now. I'm free as ever to question them....but I don't bother on this board.

This use of the word liberal only works in the US, as down here the Liberal party is actually the right leaning party and the Labour party is the left leaning party. So when an Aussie says I voted liberal they are actually conservative. I guess we are known for flipping things. ^_^

It's funny seeing the people using liberal as a pejorative try to conserve liberal values, isn't it?

I saw that, absolutely crazy. They never have solutions.

I don't know if it's circumstance or luck that I've been able to recognize dogmatic views so easily....but I'm still able to. I have multiple coworkers who bought into crypto before the crash and while easy money is tempting....no matter how many crypto experts could explain the "blockchain" to me...they never really answered how value was being created or assessed. In the end, while I couldn't see how the con worked....I didn't get taken on it. Now I understand it.


Its the same when people say Australia should stop selling coal, well okay but what should we do to make up for the loss of that incoming money and jobs? If a good solution can be found we should take it, but often these things are said with no solutions even thought about.
I can see liquidation of the middle classes happening.

We're literally importing cheap illegal labor...and diluting opportunities up the economic ladder by driving down wages and letting these companies do it.

There is no labor party, no workers party, and the amount of fraud and corruption leads me to think we are in the later stage of corporate capture and beginning of institutional collapse.

Sometimes its survival other times they have completely lost their minds to it. They genuinely believe its a great thing for society and there is no reasoning with them. No middle ground.

Who would have thought sophistry would make a comeback? Science and reasoning? Forget it....let's go whole hog on emotional appeals.

The result of a public continually dumbed down.

I am basically retired, but still.

Renewable energy is energy derived from natural sources such as sunlight and wind that are replenished at a higher rate than they are consumed. We are the perfect place for this to work, due to being large with low population.

Do they have a plan for disposal of solar panels where you're at? Because it's an extremely toxic substance as it breaks down naturally. California is realizing they sort of screwed that up badly. Regardless, the minerals used in said panels are themselves a finite resource and not renewable. I have high hopes for this sudden and I'm certain coincidental breakthrough in fusion tech....but that seems years away from helping.


I am all for a cheap and renewable source of power that actually works. Which are the key things people often overlooked when talking about making changes. Does this action make both economic sense as well as working properly and advance the nation? Feel good vibes won't keep your fridge running.

Do you know what sort of pollution is caused by refrigerators and other air conditioning machines?

It probably is worse, I have not looked into it deeply.
I think the way western countries are going they will be ripe for other nations to not just take over with more advanced technologies but to invade. A lot of people say that TicTok was designed by China to deliberately corrupt the mind of the youth.

Eh...there's some evidence of that. You see what children in China do on TikTok abd it's engineering or learning robotics. Our children are doing stupid dances and eating Tide Pods. If I'm being totally honest....I don't know if that's deliberate. This is a very infantile generation. What I do know is that it was originally an American app that the Chinese bought, and it collects a vast amount of data to their ends.


Whether that is true or not doesn't matter, it has overtaken the minds of many of the young and impressionable.

Oh I have very little hope in our 10-20 year old generation. This is very much like a sinking ship. They have been looking up for so long they would rather aspire to a greatness they cannot reach and fail...living the rest of their short days in poverty and scorn....than have a reasonable aspiration and average comfortable life of struggles and victories.
 
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When you say 'we' you clearly do not refer to people to whom pronouns are important. How terrible that more rather than fewer people can experience courtesy in the 20s.
The people for whom pronouns are important care nothing for God and as such I have zero respect nor sympathy for such “values.”

If someone cannot see nor acknowledge that I am a woman made in God’s image I am going to take offense. It is offensive to ask someone their “pronouns,” period.
 
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It is offensive to ask someone their “pronouns,” period.
No it isn’t. You choose to be offended. I know people who believe in God and have their pronouns defined in their work email sig.

So it doesn’t have anything to do with God.
 
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No it isn’t. You choose to be offended. I know people who believe in God and have their pronouns defined in their work email sig.

So it doesn’t have anything to do with God.
So utterly ridiculous. It has everything to do with Him.

And believing in God is not at all the same thing as believing Him. Those who believe, trust and obey.
 
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