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Woke is Marxism Evolved to Take on the West

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Xi Van Fleet on Twitter: "I am deeply thankful. Today 35 yr ago, my dream came true. I was granted a student visa to come to USA. I no longer feel this is the America that I arrived in."
Is there a suggestion here that USA has somehow become more like China? You have to look through a particularly distorted lens to see the comparison.

'Woke' America versus actual Marxism. Xi does not anywhere suggest that she might like to return from the cultural life of the 'Land of the Free' to the most repressive regime on Earth. At least she can use Twitter to express critical opinions of her new homeland. She might well want to remain just where she is, and do her best to make allowance for people she dislikes.
 
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Is there a suggestion here that USA has somehow become more like China?

I seem to remember an earlier version where conservatives were claiming that the Marxists were using propaganda to promote these ideas to weaken America's precious bodily fluids. In this version, the Marxists didn't believe it. They were just using it as a tool to bring down the West.
Now it's mutated so that it actually is Marxism.
 
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... the Marxists were using propaganda to promote these ideas to weaken America's precious bodily fluids.
MIne are OK, I think. No complaints, anyway.
 
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You've got to protect your Purity of Essence.
 
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You've got to protect your Purity of Essence.
Gen. Ripper- I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake. But I... I do deny them my essence.
 
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I agree! Equality is a pipe dream. I’m better than everyone else by virtue of my spawn point and society should reflect that fact both culturally and legally. People who wish to fight this are jealous losers who live off of food stamps, and I loosely associate them with the bad guys from the Cold War. Filthy povoes, all of them.
 
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"Woke" is all about tolerance and acceptance. It is a call to all who expect these virtues to also practice them.
And to force others who don't agree to "practice them" when tolerance and acceptance is redefined to mean embracing and celebrating.
 
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And to force others who don't agree to "practice them" when tolerance and acceptance is redefined to mean embracing and celebrating.
The paradox of tolerance disappears when you view it not as a principle, but as a contract. Tolerate me and I’ll tolerate you. You’re not entitled to unconditional tolerance by the very people you won’t tolerate
 
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The paradox of tolerance disappears when you view it not as a principle, but as a contract. Tolerate me and I’ll tolerate you. You’re not entitled to unconditional tolerance by the very people you won’t tolerate
I'll keep that in mind the next time an LGBT individual refers to Christians by a derogatory term.
 
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I'll keep that in mind the next time an LGBT individual refers to Christians by a derogatory term.
You do that. Now you’ll understand why.
 
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And to force others who don't agree to "practice them" when tolerance and acceptance is redefined to mean embracing and celebrating.
How have you been forced to embrace and celebrate?
 
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You do that. Now you’ll understand why.

I already do. It's because those who speak the most about tolerance are the ones least likely to possess it.
 
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The paradox of tolerance disappears when you view it not as a principle, but as a contract. Tolerate me and I’ll tolerate you. You’re not entitled to unconditional tolerance by the very people you won’t tolerate
 
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"Woke" is all about tolerance and acceptance. It is a call to all who expect these virtues to also practice them.
There are no more intolerant individuals than 'woke' individuals. There are no more hypocritical individuals than 'woke' individuals.
 
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There are no more intolerant individuals than 'woke' individuals. There are no more hypocritical individuals than 'woke' individuals.
Thanks for your opinion but I do not share it.
 
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@zippy2006 I don’t follow. Are social contracts not conditional? What is contradictory about conditional tolerance?
I think it's a cop-out when those on the left try to make that principle/contradict distinction. I think it's a management strategy for cognitive dissonance. But maybe this deserves its own thread?

The first thing to ask is: Is the tolerant person no more tolerant of contract-breaking than the intolerant person is? It seems like saying, "I will be tolerant of everything. Except contract-breaking. That is magically different from all other things."

A second thing to ask would be: How is breach of contract objectively gauged? Is the 'contract' idea anything more than a thin justification for intolerance?

Third, principles or moral constructs are not unconditional. Infraction has always brought punishment, and punishment in kind. Property is demanded of a thief, life is demanded from a mass murderer, etc. So if the leftist was really laboring under the assumption that unconditional tolerance is desirable or virtuous, then perhaps the principle/contract distinction could help them. But in that case all the distinction is doing is addressing an irrational assumption, for principles are not generally unconditional or limitless.

Fourth, the merit of tolerance is not compatible with contractual categories. A key claim of the left is that they are tolerant even of the intolerant (at least up to a point - they are more graciously tolerant of intolerance than others are). The idea behind this seems to be that tolerance ought to be a societal value which is not stingy and which is not limited to certain spheres. Of course this doesn't mean that there is no limit, but it does tend to mean that a contractual limit is inapplicable. Such would be like trying to enforce generosity by contract.

(So I think that the principle/contract distinction is a rather superficial distinction that gets nowhere near the heart of the issue, and is probably more a way to assuage a troubled conscience than an attempt to get to the heart of the issue. Or, at best, it is the way that the left invites retributive justice back in through the backdoor after making a scene, tossing it out the front. Surely vindictive, tit-for-tat contract enforcement goes against the left's notion of tolerance.)
 
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Tolerance is a two way contract. If you say you will be tolerant of certain behaviours then that is a contract between you and the rest of society. Which obviously includes me. So it is a contract between you and me. I will accept that you don't like the behaviour but you will tolerate it for our mutual benefit.

If someone breaks a contract then there will be consequences. If you break that contract then expect those consequences. If you don't enter into that contract (if you reserve the right to be intolerant) then expect the same. You will be judged by others on whichever position you take.
 
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