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Woe unto them that are with child...

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Wildfire, Sep 4, 2002.

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  1. Wildfire

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    Matt 24:

    Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

    This has often puzzled me.

    At first glance, upon reading this passage, I had believed it meant great persecution and sorrow towards those who were pregnant or had young children during the great tribulation.

    I wanted to learn and understand. So I studied the Holocaust. I learned that upon the Jews' arrival to the concentration camps, women and children were immediately seperated from their husbands; and taken to the "showers" where they were forced to remove all of their clothing and then gassed, with no beforehand knowledge of their deaths.
    Those who "escaped death" were made to clean up the dead bodies of their fellow brethren; by hauling the dead bodies to massive grave sites, where they were burned or left to rot.

    The deaths of these women, children (and men) numbered in the millions.

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    I believe this may the first part of the fifth seal; which means that there will be another another atrosity similiar to this event in the future, to complete it.
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    Is this passage (woe unto them!) meant for Gods chosen, or for something else?

    *Woe: suffering, affliction

    I looked elsewhere in the bible to see how these words are applied to those, by God:

    Isa: 5
    *Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth!
    *Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!
    *Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
    *Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
    *Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
    *Woe unto them that seek to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

    Jude1
    *Woe unto them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward and perished in the gainsaying of Core!

    Luke21
    *But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! For there shall be great distress in the land, and WRATH upon THESE PEOPLE!

    It is a punishment.

    Enoch describes this event, in his parables:

    In those days the nations shall be stirred up,
    And the families of the nations shall arise on the day of destruction,

    And in those days the *destitute shall go forth and carry off their children,
    And they shall *abandon them, so that their children shall *perish through them:
    Yea, they shall abandon their children (that are still) sucklings, and not return to them,
    And shall have no *pity on their beloved ones.

    *destitute: needy, deprived, in want of food and nourishment
    *abandon: deserted, forsaken, given up entirely
    *perish: to die, waste away, decay
    *pity: sympathy or sorrow for others suffering, cause of grief or regret

    Enoch's parable continues with strong warning against those who worship false Gods, and impure spirits; who are fearless of God, by reason of folly in their hearts. (chapter 99)

    Who is this warning meant for?
    Those who love one another, who fear God, and follow his commandments?
    No.

    We are already beginning to see the seeds of unnatural love, and hatred in Israel, as young women become martyrs for the name of Allah. They are killing themselves, and others through suicide bombings; by the belief that they will recieve their reward in their heaven, as their families who remain are paid well, for their service. Many women strongly want to do this.

    Killing is encouraged in their children.
    It is on the television shows; it is heroism of the greatest kind.
    Yes, hatred is breeding upon the innocent.

    (when) the antichrist makes his appearance; there will be an upsurge in violence.
    And what is evil, shall be called good.
    And what is wrong, shall be called right.
    Just as the earthly seasons shall change, so shall there be a spiritual change among men.

    'And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold, but he that endureth until the end, the same shall be saved.'

    Wildfire
     
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  2. Duane Morse

    Duane Morse Well-Known Member

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    Nice. I like how you put that together.
     
  3. Blessed-one

    Blessed-one a long journey ahead

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    *shudder*
     
  4. ladylove

    ladylove Active Member

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    So the saga of the seals continues...

    Jesus is talking about the fifth seal here that Wildfire describes regarding the beginning of the Great Tribulation for the church and once anti-christ declares himself "God" then he will unmercissly seek to slaughter Jews first, who live in Israel (only 1/3 of the Jewish population will be left) and then seek to destroy the church by killing the saints. It will be unparraelled in death and perhaps billions will die in the process...it is just unimaginable what the carnage will be like...:shudder:
     
  5. ladylove

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    But death for a saint at the hands of anti-christ will be perferrable than the wrath of God for those left when the church is rescued...those that are left will be like the night of the living dead movie...I personally believe that they will walk around unable to die because God will not let them when they are tortured by demons...oh my God! This is to horrible to continue...:eek:
     
  6. Pericles

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    Ok...I never heard of this before.  Where does the Bible say that in the end times:

    - people will be unable to die?

    - God will not let people die?

    - people will be tortured by demons?
     
  7. Wildfire

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    The elect shall be protected by God! if you are filled with the Holy Spirit than demons can not torture you. (but) we are told that <some> of us will be put to death. FOR HIS NAMES SAKE. This will happen during the great tribulation, which is yet to be fulfilled.

    What ladylove may be referring to is completely different.

    The only passage in Revelation that implies "being kept from death" is when those who were not sealed by God (but worshipped the beast) were punished by the wrath of God:

    And to them, it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

    And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it: and they shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

    Wildfire
     
  8. ladylove

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    Wildfire is correct, that is EXACTLY what I am referring to. We are on the same page, Wildfire. :)

    Some of what I said was purely personally opinion, since I will not be on earth during God's wrath for I fear Him and obey Him. But it will be absolutely horrific....:eek:
     
  9. postrib

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    I think Isaiah 26:20-21 could be a command to those of us Christians still alive on the earth right before the 7 vials of God's wrath are poured out (Revelation 16). The vials aren't directed at us Christians, and if we have underground bunkers with fresh water, they need not affect us in any way.

    I think our and our families' entering our "chambers" before the 7 vials of God's wrath and "shutting the doors" about us (Isaiah 26:20-21) could protect us in a way like Noah and his family's entering the ark before the flood and the "shutting" of "the door of the ark" protected them (Genesis 6:16, 7:16).
     
  10. ladylove

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    Sorry, Postrib (your name says it all)

    Genine Christians will not be here on earth during God's wrath because God did not appoint his children to be here. (I Thes. 5:9) That makes it crystal clear that the CHURCH will NOT be here during God's wrath which pretty much puts that position to bed. It is just not biblically accurate.

    However, there is a group that will be that will be protected in Azel...but this is not the subject of the thread. Have a nice day.
     
  11. Brian45

    Brian45 Senior Member

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    Your right ladylove , christians will not be here duing gods wrath , they will have been murdered by the beast .&nbsp; (&nbsp; heads chopped off&nbsp; )
     
  12. ladylove

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    No, Postrib,

    Those maryters who are beheaded are the Jewish-Christians who have faithfully witnessed to their fellow bretheren in Israel at the expense of their own lives to rescue them. To be sure, the saints will also experience death as well. But the church is not the marytered souls under the throne of God. Those are the Jews who witnessed in Israel, a different group all together.
     
  13. Pericles

    Pericles Christian

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    Where does the Bible say this?
     
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