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That's a great example, MK, and very true. That's how it should be, imo.IMO....."submitting to one another" simply means giving up our selfish and envious nature that takes from someone else in order to get our own way. It's BOTH spouses having the mindset of "not my will, but YOUR will be done, LORD."
That's a great example, MK, and very true. That's how it should be, imo.
SO I guess the question could be, what makes mutual submission different than headship submission? Maybe this needs clarified.
I hate to sound snarky.....but, if the outcome is the same.....the "path" to get there basically the same....the why the desire to name it differently? IOW....why has there been this repeated divide of "the ones that take this passage seriously"....or "the ones that want to follow this Scripture"....and the "ones that don't wish to obey this Scripture"? Aren't we ALL following what we believe God is instructing us to do by His word (and what's best for our marriages)?
Chaz, I'd also like to add that love is definitely seen in different ways. Submission to the husband is a form of love while protection and treating his wife tenderly is another form of love. Both are important!
There is always room for selfishness, God knew that His instructions were to an imperfect people both in the OT and in the NT too. That's why he went through the trouble to go into some detail on instructions concerning relationships whether it's about marriage, lending/borrowing, children, the elderly, etc.
That's my problem with this theory. The way that some of these marriages work out sound identical to mine so far as give and take, and working things out, so why is one side supposedly submissive and the other is not. It seems like paying lip service, like "I am a submissive wife, but I don't need to submit" or the men saying "I want a submissive wife, but I don't ask her to submit." Simply doesn't make sense to me.That's how it is in a submission/headship relationship.
Yes, and obviously both are different between husband and wife than between two unmarried believers.Chaz, I'd also like to add that love is definitely seen in different ways. Submission to the husband is a form of love while protection and treating his wife tenderly is another form of love. Both are important!
It's been repeated quite a few times already, Chaz...that *some* of us don't believe that verse 22 (is that the right one?) says, "wives...*submit* to your own husbands"....that, instead....the words are, "wives are *subject* to your own husbands". It's a state of being.....not a command. That's the difference between what you believe and what I believe (in reference to those particular words, anyway).
Okay, so if we want to use the word 'subject to', I still ends up being that wives are subject to their husbands. I agree that it's a state of being. But just like being a Christian is a state of being, it comes with responsibilities.
That's my problem with this theory. The way that some of these marriages work out sound identical to mine so far as give and take, and working things out, so why is one side supposedly submissive and the other is not. It seems like paying lip service, like "I am a submissive wife, but I don't need to submit" or the men saying "I want a submissive wife, but I don't ask her to submit." Simply doesn't make sense to me.
Grr, I'm putting it badly. Chaz has said that he prefers to have a submissive model, but he has never had to put on the headship role or asked her to submit. In that case, why the need for it? Oh, just in case one day there is a decision to be made that they don't agree on?
Like I've said before, whoever has the better knowledge and experience "wins". That's not necessarily the man. God gave us both brains for a reason.
There has to be a reason something within us becomes enraged at the idea or even mere mention of the word 'submit'. I'd be willing to say the reason is another touchy word - 'rebellion'. They hate the idea of submitting, but we're all called to submit at some level. Children are called to obey parents, wives to submit to husbands, husbands submit to God and are greatly responsible for their families, students submit to/learn from teachers, citizens submit to government and laws, subjects obey and serve the king, laymen respect and learn from apostles, pastors, prophets, and don't forget the big one - we're all supposed to submit to Christ.
I view my husband with eyes of respect and awe. And he views me tenderly as the weaker (not inferior) vessel. The motivations are slightly different. I desire to serve my husband and he desires to protect and provide. Like we've established before, the way of loving is different.
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