"Without a cause"

Tomyris · May 4, 2014

SavedByGraceThruFaith said:
Hardly circular reasoning.

Without the phrase, it accuses Jesus Christ of sin,

It does not.

AND I AM NOT A JW!!!!!!

QUIT ACCUSING PEOPLE WHO DON"T AGREE WITH YOU OF BEING JEHOVAH WITNESSES
They are the ONLY ones who use the NWT and you are attempting guilt by association, you are bringing in non-Orthodox beliefs into this forum every time you mention the NWT and I do NOT appreciate this.

Tomyris · May 4, 2014

It is also against forum rules.

Tomyris · May 4, 2014

And it is practically the definition of circular reasoning: you believe A because of B and you believe B because of A.

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

SavedByGraceThruFaith said:
Ephesians 4:26
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Let's look at the whole context:

Here's the NAS: "26 BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN ; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not give the devil an opportunity..."

Then notice the context: 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger :doh:

and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

But apparently anger is wrong or Paul wouldn't have said " Let all bitterness and wrath and anger be put away from you"

So I guess it's the object of anger? We are to love our enemies, not hate them. Yes, be angry at the wicked things they do, but love the sinner.

SavedByGraceThruFaith · May 4, 2014

Setyoufree said:
Let's look at the whole context:

Here's the NAS: "26 http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-64BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN ; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-65give the devil http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-san opportunity...

Be angry at what?

Then notice the context: 30http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-71Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God (that kills once saved always saved), http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-wby whom you were http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-72sealed for the day of redemption. 31 http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-73Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-74put away from you, along with all http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-75malice. 32 http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-76Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-77just as God in Christ also has forgiven http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/ephesians/4.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-xyou.

Your theory has been refuted and now you are dancing.

You said that anger = murder

Paul said "Be ye angry"

So according to your theory Paul said to commit murder.

Your theory has been falsified.

Without the phrase, it accuses Jesus Christ of sin,

But Jesus Christ did not sin.

That is God's doctrine.

Any version without the phrase "without a cause" has a serious error.

12.
Matthew 5:22b KJB
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment

The NWT and many new versions remove without cause. The corruption then implies that Jesus Christ sinned in the following verse. But Jesus did not sin because He certainly had a cause.

Mark 3:5
And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts ...

BTW - The word of God cannot be broken and your theory is further refuted by what Paul wrote. Obviously, Paul did not say go murder as your theory says.

Ephesians 4:26
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

SavedByGraceThruFaith said:
You said that anger = murder

No, Jesus said that. You need to correct him....

Paul said "Be ye angry"

No, he's not telling believers to be angry, he saying don't let it cause you to sin in other areas. Apparently anger at people is wrong. After all we are to love our enemies.

So according to your theory Paul said to commit murder.

You need some fresh air.

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

Tomyris said:
It is also against forum rules.

I would like to see him banded for a bit. If not they might end up banning me because I'm getting a bit angry with his nonsense (attacks & accusations). :doh:

SavedByGraceThruFaith · May 4, 2014

Setyoufree said:
No, Jesus said that. You need to correct him....

No, he's not telling believers to be angry, he saying don't let it cause you to sin in other areas. Apparently anger at people is wrong. After all we are to love our enemies.

You need some fresh air.

No Jesus Christ said that angry "without a cause" is murder and you are not only correcting Him but are accusing Him of sin.

That is heresy.

Your theory has been falsified.

Without the phrase, it accuses Jesus Christ of sin,

But Jesus Christ did not sin.

Any version without the phrase "without a cause" has a serious error.

12.
Matthew 5:22b KJB
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment

The NWT and many new versions remove without cause. The corruption then implies that Jesus Christ sinned in the following verse. But Jesus did not sin because He certainly had a cause.

Mark 3:5
And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts ...

BTW - The word of God cannot be broken and your theory is further refuted by what Paul wrote. Obviously, Paul did not say go murder as your theory says.

Ephesians 4:26
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

Tomyris said:
Actually there is strong manuscript evidence both for the absence of "without cause" and its presence..

Exactly.

Besides, look at the following translations:

NAS: "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/matthew/5-22.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-aguilty before http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/matthew/5-22.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-1the court"

ASV: but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment

RHE: But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment.

CSB: But I tell you, everyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment

NIV: But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment

NRS: But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable to judgment;

RSV: But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment

YLT: but I -- I say to you, that every one who is angry at his brother without cause, shall be in danger of the judgment

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

SavedByGraceThruFaith said:
No Jesus Christ said that angry "without a cause" is murder

Nope, that's added by well meaning translators, but it's not the words of God. It's added....

SavedByGraceThruFaith · May 4, 2014

Tomyris said:
It does not.

AND I AM NOT A JW!!!!!!

QUIT ACCUSING PEOPLE WHO DON"T AGREE WITH YOU OF BEING JEHOVAH WITNESSES
They are the ONLY ones who use the NWT and you are attempting guilt by association, you are bringing in non-Orthodox beliefs into this forum every time you mention the NWT and I do NOT appreciate this.

Please stop falsely accusing me.

I hav never called anyone on this forum a JW.

I do not use the NWT as it is accursed.

I only use the King James Bible as it is the word of God without error.

But the new versions do have many of the same errors that are in the NWT,.

I am just stating facts.

Why not fix the errors in the new versions?

SavedByGraceThruFaith · May 4, 2014

Setyoufree said:
Nope, that's added by well meaning translators, but it's not the words of God. It's added....

Sorry but the scripture cannot be broken.

The phrase "without a clause" is what Jesus Christ said.

Without the phrase, it accuses Jesus Christ of sin,

But Jesus Christ did not sin.

Any version without the phrase "without a cause" has a serious error.

12.
Matthew 5:22b KJB
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment

The NWT and many new versions remove without cause. The corruption then implies that Jesus Christ sinned in the following verse. But Jesus did not sin because He certainly had a cause.

Mark 3:5
And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts ...

The word of God cannot be broken and your theory is further refuted by what Paul wrote. Obviously, Paul did not say go murder as your theory says.

Ephesians 4:26
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

disputes, dissensions, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/5.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-j http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-40factions, 21 envying, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/galatians/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-41drunkenness, carousing, and things like these

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

SavedByGraceThruFaith said:
The phrase "without a clause" is what Jesus Christ said.

Oh...

I guess I'm confused :doh:

...I didn't know the King James translators were mini-Christ's....I guess they and Christ are on equal ground...

NOT!

Look, the translators of the KJV added those words. It's not part of the original manuscripts.

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

SavedByGraceThruFaith said:
Without the phrase, it accuses Jesus Christ of sin:

Jesus didn't sin because his anger was at their unbelief. Unbelief is the highest mortal sin in the NT. He is not angry at sinners, but the thing causing them to sin, which is unbelief. The object of his anger is sin, not people.

Now, let's look at what Christ said in Matt 5:21-22

"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER ' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' 22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court "

Anger against a sinner is murder....Anger against sin is righteous indignation.

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

SavedByGraceThruFaith said:
Please stop falsely accusing me.

Put its not false, it's accurate.

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

SavedByGraceThruFaith said:
I only use the King James Bible as it is the word of God without error.

You need serious help....I really mean it. Talk to a pastor or someone. This is total nonsense!!!

SavedByGraceThruFaith · May 4, 2014

Setyoufree said:
You need serious help....I really mean it. Talk to a pastor or someone. This is total nonsense!!!

You are the one who is pushing false doctrine. I am just helping you to see that.

But back to the topic of the thread,

The scripture cannot be broken.

The phrase "without a clause" is what Jesus Christ said.

Without the phrase, it accuses Jesus Christ of sin,

But Jesus Christ did not sin.

Any version without the phrase "without a cause" has a serious error.

12.
Matthew 5:22b KJB
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment

The NWT and many new versions remove without cause. The corruption then implies that Jesus Christ sinned in the following verse. But Jesus did not sin because He certainly had a cause.

Mark 3:5
And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts ...

Setyoufree · May 4, 2014

Around and around you go....

I've read your material. You need to read mine and reply specially to it. Just pasting the same old repeats isn't proving anything.

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