With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

[Halbhh]

I was mostly taking treacher training classes. We need to learn how to communicate. Pastors go to school to learn how to council others. The Bible does say the Holy Spirit is our teacher and out guide. WE do not need man to teach us the word of God.

Yes, we just need real listening -- that willingness to be silent in our minds (even of doctrines!), to truly listen to His words to us, so that we have "ears that hear".

(even correct doctrines can be a way to avoid listening -- like saying "I already know, I'm going to ignore you...." -- we must truly consider Him the teacher, and not ourselves)

 

[Jipsah]

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

So God isn't bound by time as we are. Well who'd a thunk it?

Not YECs, that's for sure. <Laugh>

 

[BobRyan]

"Melt" -- that's a pretty decisive word isn't it?

It's a destruction of this current Earth -- when even the elements melt....

So, that fits how this current Earth will "pass away" (as we read).

That same chapter also tells us that the Earth that was flooded in Gen 7
"was destroyed by being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction..."

Walking on earth today we can see in the ground --evidence of a flooded Earth.
Walking on the NEW Earth of Rev 21 -- evidence in the ground -- of a burned Earth.

Mal 4:
3 And you will crush the wicked underfoot, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I am preparing,” says the Lord of armies.

 

[BobRyan]

=== quote of post #2 on this thread

The post above refers to 2 Peter 3. That chapter talks about the "Day of the Lord" as a 1000 year period of time between the coming of Christ (as seen in Rev 19) and the melting of the earth in the Lake of Fire as seen in Rev 20-- a literal 1000 year period of time according to Rev 20 that is described as "The Day of the Lord" in 2 Peter 3.

So then in 2 Peter 3- we are told that "a day is like 1000 years and a thousand years is as a day - for the Lord".

It helps explain why the term used is "The day of the Lord" for that 1000 year period of time in 2 Peter 3.

(scoffers come along saying)
4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people.

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

========================= end quote

Notice
1. That 2 Peter 3 statement does not use "evening and morning where a single day" since obviously that is not the context for it in 2 Pet 3.
2. That 2 Peter 3 does not have something like "six days you shall do all your work each week.. for in six days God did this-or-that" in 2 Peter 3

So then what about ignoring every single detail in that post? How can we do that?

So God isn't bound by time as we are. Well who'd a thunk it?

We all "would-a-thunk" that paying attention to the details -- mattered.

Not YECs,

Especially YEC's

 

[Ace777]

Not YECs, that's for sure. <Laugh>

They do not understand the mystery of how a day represents longer periods of time.

How long did it take God to create a day. It took Him one day to create a day. Sunrise to Sunset. Morning and Evening. This takes place at the Horizon, which is off in a distance. First God had to create light so you can have day and night. At the north pole there is only one day a year. Six months of darkness and six months of light. This means that for half the year, the sun doesn’t set, and for the other half, it doesn’t rise. In Anchorage alaska one day a year is 6 hours of light and one day a year 6 hours of night.

 

[davetaff]

Hi the thousand years days are the days of creation starting with Noah and ending with man in the image of God which is Jesus Christ at his second coming with a whole multitude of believers this is man ( mankind ) in the image of God.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Yarddog]

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

You begin to get the sense of the wording -- that any amount of time is for God any other amount of time He chooses.

So, a billion years are like an hour. Or a second is like a million years....
If He chooses....

But it does help suggest something profound about His words when He says "day"......

Such as:

"but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Of course Adam lived ~930 years....

But 900 years is like a day to God....

Or a 33 year human lifetime is a 'day' also:

14 “The day will come, says the LORD, when I will do for Israel and Judah all the good things I have promised them. 15 “In those days and at that time I will raise up a righteous descendant from King David's line. He will do what is just and right throughout the land."


Genesis chapter 1 says nothing at all about how much mere mortal time passed, because that would be a triviality really.... The scripture is far more profound than merely listing a mere duration of years as its main theme. We should not be surprised that scripture never gives any age for the Earth, not even suggested in any verse.

Anywhere.

We also have nothing at all in Genesis chapters 2 and 3 about how much mortal time passed in the outside world -- outside the Garden on Earth -- while Adam and Eve dwelled in the paradise of the Garden of Eden where the Eternal One Himself walked in the Garden....and where He put the eternal Tree of Life -- the same tree that will be in heaven we read in the last chapter of the bible:

Eden Restored​

22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
-- Revelation 22, the last chapter in the Bible.

From the Garden to the end of time (literally, where time will be no more, as we will leave this mortal life) -- the Alpha and the Omega.....

How long is a 'day' in heaven then?

The Earth is a mere 4.55 billion years old in mere mortal time, which is passing away, and will cease to exist.....

It's a time duration that means little or nothing really..,..

It's God's time that matters, not ours. And His time is eternity....

Yes, when you are eternal, time means little. A day is like a 1000 years or vice versa.

Jesus is the Tree of life and Eden is righteousness or God's rest. Man cannot attain righteousness through his own works but must be created in God's image, perfection, through faith in God's works.

 

[Ace777]

Jesus Christ at his second coming with a whole multitude of believers

That is actually the third coming. The second coming He comes for us and we are caught up into the air to forever be with Him. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 The third He returns with us.

This is going to take place soon because our two days (2 thousand years) are about up. The church age is ending and the Kingdom age is beginning. "After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence." (Hosea 6:2)

"On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. "Zechariah 14:4

He was taken up from the mount of olives in Acts 1 11" they returned to Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives," He will return the same way He left: " This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

When the Bible repeats something twice they want to be sure that you take notice where Jesus will return and the earth quake that will take place when He returns. We can look at the plates and see that the event will take place exactly as Hosea says it well. East to West AND North to South at the same time. (Anatolian fault)

 

[Ace777]

Yes, when you are eternal, time means little. A day is like a 1000 years or vice versa.

In Hebrews we see: "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." He does not change.

Just as Moses tells us in Psalm 90 "from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God…"

This is why God can declare the end from the beginning. Isaiah 46 10 "I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish"

God watches over His Word to perform what He said He would do.
Jeremiah 1 12
"I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.”

 

[Diamond72]

We should not be surprised that scripture never gives any age for the Earth, not even suggested in any verse.

The whole chapter of Genesis one says the earth is six days old. Science says there have been six ages. That correspond very nice with the six days of Genesis.

In astrophysics, block time refers to the concept of block universe theory1. This theory suggests that all moments in time—past, present, and future—exist simultaneously in a four-dimensional block of spacetime2.

 

[Semper-Fi]

The only place in the bible that I can tell that uses a day =a thousand years
principle is the 7 day weekly cycle God made for mankind.

6 days = 6 thousand years, the 7th day = 1 thousand years.
The weekly Sabbath, a pattern for the mill rest promised.

 

[Diamond72]

6 days = 6 thousand years, the 7th day = 1 thousand years.

This does line up with Science and History. If you go back 13,000 years the earth was covered with Ice and could be considered formless and void. There was a major extinction at the time. For example saber tooth tigers and Wooly Mammoths went extinct as one age ended and a new age began.

 

[Semper-Fi]

This does line up with Science and History. If you go back 13,000 years the earth was covered with Ice and could be considered formless and void. There was a major extinction at the time. For example saber tooth tigers and Wooly Mammoths went extinct as one age ended and a new age began.

You seem to not understand my post or the time frame I mention.
The 6 days work + 1 day rest = 7 days in all {mentioned in gen] .We are closing in
on 6 thousand years since Adam, I am not talking about before Adam here at all.

The next thousand years[soon] will be the mill reign of Christ. The7 day Sabbath pictures rest,
the mill. pictures rest. Iconic that Satan will be forced to rest from deceiving the nations at this time.
A future time when "The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

God worked for 6 days, then He rested for 1 day.

With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

 

[Semper-Fi]

a literal 1000 year period of time according to Rev 20 that is described as "The Day of the Lord"

"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host
of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

This [day] refers to [a year] long punishment on this earth.

Isaiah 34:8 For it is [the day] of the Lord's vengeance,
and [the year] of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable [year] of the Lord, and
[the day of vengeance] of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isaiah 63:4 (KJV) For [the day of vengeance] is in mine heart,
and [the year] of my redeemed is come. Many verses and many books
of the bible mention this future event "the day of the Lord.

"In that day/year" This is [a day for a year] principle

Luke 21:22,Deuteronomy 32:35,Jeremiah 46:10,Joel 1:15, Joel 3:14,
Acts 2:20 , Isaiah 13:9,Amos 5:18, the Lords {Day} thyme of revelation.

There are verses about just before Christs return, during Christs return, and just after.

Zechariah 14:9, Isaiah 19:24, Isaiah 17:7 At that day shall a man look
to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.

 

[Halbhh]

The whole chapter of Genesis one says the earth is six days old

No, that's an idea that bends/alters your perception, to make you think that's what the text says....but in fact it doesn't say that. Instead, after Earth is an unknown amount of time old already, the spirit comes to Waterworld Earth and then begins the special days of creation....but we are not told unimportant details like how much time might have passed between the days, and other such totally unimportant things that would not matter even the slightest.

The scripture is about things vastly, vastly more important than merely giving us a meaningless number about how many mortal years of time old this temporary planet is...

If we can read without painting our ideas on the text, it will reward us far more.

Genesis chapter 1 can totally alter your consciousness, lifting you out of ordinary consciousness into a higher, better state of mind, so that you are ready to hear the deeper things in chapters 2 and 3 and further --

To really listen to the scripture instead of us talking over it with our own thoughts/ideas we have learned are supposed to be all it is (as if the Word were less than us, instead of greater than us).

If we listen, then what is greater than we are is given to us, each time.

 

[Diamond72]

Genesis chapter 1 can totally alter your consciousness,

Not as much as Science opens our understanding. Just the idea that the universe is billions of years old. The idea that we are star stuff when the Bible does not make that clear. Just the idea that there was a beginning and there will be an end. But the Bible will alter our consciousness also. The idea that the wolf and the lamb will lay down together and nothing will harm in the Kingdom of God. Even now I do not like to kill if I can avoid having to kill.

 

[Palmfever]

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

You begin to get the sense of the wording -- that any amount of time is for God any other amount of time He chooses.

So, a billion years are like an hour. Or a second is like a million years....
If He chooses....

But it does help suggest something profound about His words when He says "day"......

Such as:

"but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Of course Adam lived ~930 years....

But 900 years is like a day to God....

Or a 33 year human lifetime is a 'day' also:

14 “The day will come, says the LORD, when I will do for Israel and Judah all the good things I have promised them. 15 “In those days and at that time I will raise up a righteous descendant from King David's line. He will do what is just and right throughout the land."


Genesis chapter 1 says nothing at all about how much mere mortal time passed, because that would be a triviality really.... The scripture is far more profound than merely listing a mere duration of years as its main theme. We should not be surprised that scripture never gives any age for the Earth, not even suggested in any verse.

Anywhere.

We also have nothing at all in Genesis chapters 2 and 3 about how much mortal time passed in the outside world -- outside the Garden on Earth -- while Adam and Eve dwelled in the paradise of the Garden of Eden where the Eternal One Himself walked in the Garden....and where He put the eternal Tree of Life -- the same tree that will be in heaven we read in the last chapter of the bible:

Eden Restored​

22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
-- Revelation 22, the last chapter in the Bible.

From the Garden to the end of time (literally, where time will be no more, as we will leave this mortal life) -- the Alpha and the Omega.....

How long is a 'day' in heaven then?

The Earth is a mere 4.55 billion years old in mere mortal time, which is passing away, and will cease to exist.....

It's a time duration that means little or nothing really..,..

It's God's time that matters, not ours. And His time is eternity....

I don't take that literally as some may. In my opinion, every day is today in eternity as there are no days. It is a constant now.
If you take 365 × 6500 = 2372500. Considerably shorter than that proposed by science.
Whatever it is, it is. And other than a mild curiosity I remain ambivalent. God didn't see fit to give us details of creation. It is inconsequential to salvation.

 

[Diamond72]

In my opinion, every day is today in eternity as there are no days.

I was a draftsman for a small company that built kitchen cabinets. They just wanted me to figure out all the measurements so the people in the shop did not have to do it. I ended up going back to the shop to build templets. Everything then becomes a copy of that templet. In the beginning God made a day and then every other day is a copy of the day He made. Then of course there is the seventh day which is very important. Also a third say. The third day in the end of the church age and the beginning of the 1,000 year reign of Christ. There is intense debate on how time itself is effected by the new heaven and the new earth.

We use to use the word pattern as in shadows and types, but now they use words like Paradigm and Archetypes.

 

[Halbhh]

Not as much as Science opens our understanding.

More.

(and I don't say that unaware of how enlightening the sciences are -- I have a degree in Engineering physics and have read widely in the sciences for many decades for the pure love and enjoyment of learning how things work, many thousands of articles. Thousands.

Thousands. I guess that speaks for itself.)

And yes, of course, the Bible never is about a science topic, not even the universe/cosmos -- just not the subject matter. It has a different (and very different) aim entirely....

....ok....

So, having a huge amount of interest and reading and delight in several sciences....

I can say hands down that the Genesis 1 text can open your mind in a different and wonderful and even more rewarding way (more wonderful than even the awesome realizations about how vast and amazing our cosmos is and such amazing things....even more than that....)

...if you let it...

If.

But that's possibly requiring a very new and different kind of reading, for many people. A truly different way to read.

To really listen expecting to gain something (not trivial stuff like numbers of days, but something vastly better....) that one doesn't already have, even if you are reading the chapter for the 12th or 15th time....

I'm unsure how many people read that way -- expecting to gain subtle new things even the 12th time they read something.....

But if you can, then it will pay off....

 

[Diamond72]

It has a different (and very different) aim entirely....

The law in the Bible is considered to be different than the laws of physics. But I do not think God sees them as being any different. One is just as exact and precise as the other. Even the Hebrew letters have an amazing mathematical precision. For me I would not even allow a student to enter the first grade if they do not understand the meaning of the letter. But the schools now just teach hooked on phonics and it sounds like ...