Witch's Invitation...

[Jetgirl]

I dont think thats even legal, a place of work cant fire you for wearing religious jewelry unless its interfereing with your work (A symbol the size of a man-hole cover)

No, its absolutly not legal.... but it doesn't prevent them from making your life a living hell until you quit...

...or suddenly deciding your position is expendable,
...or deciding that you suddenly aren't qualified for that position that's just come open,
...or you're not applicable for that raise.

Unfortuantely, and you really don't discover this until you hit the white-collar work-force, most employers, if they're reasonably careful, can fire you for whatever they want, whenever they want.

Usually by just saying that your position is no longer needed, bye bye.

 

[Aimee30]

So what are we saying here that people who make christian rock are bogus? I doubt it, since why would a person go out of their way to be a Christian rock star and make a lot less money than a regular rock star.
The quote is nothing more than a morality tale within a song to prove the belief that something is bad. Maybe people don't like the fact that some of these groups are not for war and see something wrong with the government. There is nothing wrong with Christian rock no matter who paints some sort fantasy tale in your head its music full of demons--why have songs that preach against falseness if they actually want people to be false against christianity?
Maybe the people who don't like it should listen to some lovely country music that preaches about drinking until they are stoned, or my wife slept with my best friend stuff. Let's face it--that caterwauling stuff is as corrupted as any form of music.
The point is it's a story not a reality. It has a moral. There are plenty of stories that are made up and not reality to prove a point.
So people find the song laughable, it's not going for accuracy, it's going for a belief that certain things are wrong.

 

[Isis-Astoroth]

The moment I read the word 'warlock' i stopped reading. Male witches are known as male witches not as warlocks. If that story is true, well, i don't believe it can be true.

 

[Aimee30]

*Sigh*. Whoever wrote that load of lies should try writing "Wicca is not Satanism". 1000 times. But the original author probably knows that, just finds it convenient to leave out when conducting a smear campaign.

However, I have seen that a portion of the wiccan site is dedicated to satanism.
It also, I believe, mentioned there were two forms of it.
Also, the site is dedicated a few other things the Bible has mentioned is wrong for Christians--I believe some new age things like mediums and other items.
I know I didn't get to all of the website and didn't learn absolutely everything.
Herbal remedies and natural healing isn't witchcraft unless you use incantations and so forth. The Native American religions have a mention--although I can't see why they try to pass it off as wiccan. (Some Native Amercicans don't like this). And some things I believe are remade to be more in the image of new age beliefs.

 

[Aimee30]

Just one question, why do people imply this is anti-semetic because the guy's named Isaac? If he had called him Redbird, Alexander, Moshi, or Mohommed, would you care?
It's just a name. It would be kind of ridiculous to be against the people your religion started with. And why would Christians endear Jews so much as to be allies with them and not the people gainst them then?

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Just one question, why do people imply this is anti-semetic because the guy's named Isaac? If he had called him Redbird, Alexander, Moshi, or Mohommed, would you care?
It's just a name. It would be kind of ridiculous to be against the people your religion started with. And why would Christians endear Jews so much as to be allies with them and not the people gainst them then?

This "story" attacks so many things that the suposition that the man was named Isaac to be deliberatly anti-semetic isnt too unlikely. If it wasnt so inflamatory I would agree with you

 

[Antoninus Verus]

No, its absolutly not legal.... but it doesn't prevent them from making your life a living hell until you quit...

...or suddenly deciding your position is expendable,
...or deciding that you suddenly aren't qualified for that position that's just come open,
...or you're not applicable for that raise.

Unfortuantely, and you really don't discover this until you hit the white-collar work-force, most employers, if they're reasonably careful, can fire you for whatever they want, whenever they want.

Usually by just saying that your position is no longer needed, bye bye.

Very true, sorry. Sometimes I forget that some people arent as inclined to stir up troble when someones giving them a rough time as I am

 

[SnowBear]

The quote is nothing more than a morality tale within a song

I may be way off on this but I would think that a morality tale should be at the very least moral itself. Who exactly is a collection of lies, stereotypes, and deceptions moral?

to prove the belief that something is bad.

You can’t prove another person’s belief is “bad” you can only say that it is not what you believe. That aside if the author wanted to show that a different belief system was bad why did he/she have to blatantly lie as he/she does to do so?

Maybe people don't like the fact that some of these groups are not for war and see something wrong with the government. There is nothing wrong with Christian rock no matter who paints some sort fantasy tale in your head its music full of demons--why have songs that preach against falseness if they actually want people to be false against christianity?

And how would you feel if a song/story were published making all sorts of horrible false claims about Christianity?

The point is it's a story not a reality. It has a moral.

Is the moral that it is all right to lie about other religions, other beliefs so long as you a Christian rock star?

 

[morningstar2651]

However, I have seen that a portion of the wiccan site is dedicated to satanism.

The Wiccan Site? There is an official site now? Why didn't I get the memo?

Mind sharing which site this is? I'd like to do some fact-checking on what you read.

 

[hernyaccent]

That might work if I wouldn't also be fired if I didn't at least pretend to be a lukewarm Christian at work.

Wearing non-Christian jewelry? Out of the question.

What do you do?

 

[morningstar2651]

Songs like this aren't helping things much by spreading lies about religions.

I hide my beliefs for my own physical safety.

 

[The Seeker]

What do y'all think about this story?

I think its a poorly written story full of slander and misconceptions against pagans. Do you have an opinion by any chance?

 

[mpshiel]

a Ouija board and dungeons and dragons game set on the table, a crystal ball with an incadescent shine. Then graciously he handed me some steaming herbal tea.

Dungeons and Dragons AND Herbal Tea, how lucky he was to escape the grasp of such and evil one!

Well, it is true you can be a total toad and jerk in many ways (check out some of the stupid things Crowley did for publicity sometime). People like this I suppose exist but they have about as much power as a Christian who has 6 crosses on each wall, only has bibles and religious tracts to read and doesn't use that "white flower" because that is how "Satan weakens us by removing the goodness of the earth". Does that represent Christianity? I have met them and assumed...no, this is not the face of Christianity. Nor are pointed bearded guys in black silk the face of Wiccian.

Get a grip, I mean I come from the number 2 city in the world for Satan worship, where animals get sacrificed in cemetaries every year, and we STILL manage to get along (if they catch you killing the dog you are going to jail), so white wiccian, shaman study or other practices are just that, practices (still, I can't quite get the Satan worship, how exactly do you rationalize the "Satan exists and is evil" with, "Let's get on his good side"?)

This guy, is not a satan worshipper. And by the by, most Christians like Dee, Bacon and other alchemists, astrologers would be considered way "occultic" today (remember after all that Dee used his potions and a medium to find out about ANGELS after all - he was a Christian). Perceptions do change and what is accepted in one generation is forbidden or slandered in the next. Interesting how herbal wisdom, a traditional witch power has become accepted (unless you don't take Eeunasia (sic) to ward off the cold like everyone else). The wheel turns eh?

 

[The Seeker]

still, I can't quite get the Satan worship, how exactly do you rationalize the "Satan exists and is evil" with, "Let's get on his good side"

As much as I hate to speak for others, Satanists do not afaik believe that Satan is evil, many don't even believe in Satan as a literal entity. The Satan of Satanism is not the same as the Satan of Christianity.

 

[morningstar2651]

(still, I can't quite get the Satan worship, how exactly do you rationalize the "Satan exists and is evil" with, "Let's get on his good side"?)

Wikipedia Entry
"LaVeyan Satanism is a religion based upon the philosophy of Anton LaVey as outlined in The Satanic Bible and other works. It has an extremely egoistic bent, viewing the self as the most important entity in the universe; this stance of positively-viewed selfishness stands in contrast to the doctrines of most other religions.

Philosophically, it could be described as heavily influenced by the writings of Aleister Crowley, Niccolò Machiavelli, Friedrich Nietzsche, Ayn Rand, Ragnar Redbeard and a few others; "Satan" is appropriated as a positive symbol of this worldview, and is not considered to exist in a literal fashion. Theologically, each individual Satanist is viewed as his or her own god; its rituals are essentially magick in the original sense given by Crowley, with an eye towards furthering the Satanist's ends."

 

[Rae]

So people find the song laughable, it's not going for accuracy

Given that several people have said the song "actually happened to someone," and given that in my time in the Christian community most people believed it was real, even if the song is NOT "going for accuracy," people are taking it as accurate. Believe it or not, but that is true.

why do people imply this is anti-semetic because the guy's named Isaac?

Because it IS anti-semitic. Because it's evil, lying, libelous nonsense attributed to a person with a Jewish name. Do you really not know the kinds of lies that are spread about Jewish people even today? This sort of thing and worse. Honestly.

 

[Aimee30]

I can't find the original web page I had before, as it is a long time since I looked up the topic I was interested in. However, something called wicca.com has a page explaining what they believe--they feel free to explore other religions. All one would have to do is type the name wicca in the web browser to find various sites discussing wicca. I do hope this is not going to influence anyone one way or another reading this post. It's purely meant to be informational. In other words, don't believe evrything websites tell you.

 

[fluffy_rainbow]

I dabbled in Wicca for a couple of years, had many Wiccan friends, and even Wiccan family members. All of them would laugh at the idea of using a Ouija board for divination purposes. They also do not look to a crystal ball like you see Prof. Marvel do in the "Wizard of Oz" use. They don't cast spells to curse others and they don't play Dungeons and Dragons (typically) and if they do, it has zero correlation with their faith. That song propagates misunderstanding about Wicca all the way around. Wiccans are deceived by Satan, like lost and saved people are. Anytime we succumb to sin, we have been deceived by Satan. Lost people are deceived by Satan. That doesn't mean they use their faith for evil. Just like not all Muslims are terrorists, not all people who practice witchcraft or ascribe to Wicca are evil spell casters who will threaten to turn you into a toadstool if you don't do as they say.

And just FYI - warlocks are fictitious characters.

 

[SquareC]

However, I have seen that a portion of the wiccan site is dedicated to satanism.

What Wiccan site, there are hundreds of them! The only one I personally have seen reference both Wicca and Satanism is www.religioustolerance.org. It's not a Wiccan site though, it just explains Wicca without prejudice or misinformation, along with every other religion they have been able to gather information about.

Also, and I speak from 18 years experience as a Wiccan, noone espousing Wiccan beliefs would have reference to Satanism, except to say, "we aren't Satanists, because we don't believe in Satan, for one". There are so many differences between Satanism (either kind) and Wicca, it's astounding.

It also, I believe, mentioned there were two forms of it.
Also, the site is dedicated a few other things the Bible has mentioned is wrong for Christians--I believe some new age things like mediums and other items.
I know I didn't get to all of the website and didn't learn absolutely everything.
Herbal remedies and natural healing isn't witchcraft unless you use incantations and so forth. The Native American religions have a mention--although I can't see why they try to pass it off as wiccan. (Some Native Amercicans don't like this). And some things I believe are remade to be more in the image of new age beliefs.

It is really sounding like you went to www.religioustolerance.org. I happen to be both Wiccan and Native American, and I can tell you that there are quite a few differences between Wicca and Native Shamanism. Some Eclectic Wiccans do incorporated Shamanism into their practice, but they seldom pretend it's other than incorporation of Shamanistic practice into Wicca. No one I know of tries to "pass off" Shamanism as Wicca.


That song is ridiculous though.

 

[Arikay]

The only time I have heard wicca and satanism combined into a single religion of wicca is on christian sites and books that find it acceptable to lie about other religions.
Although I am sure the variation is out there, mainstream doesn't appear to support it.

They may have some similar roots, but that doesn't mean they can be lumped together. christianity and Islam have similar roots, does that make all christians muslims?