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Wisdom of the Enneagram

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My wife was recently given a book called The Wisdom of the Enneagram which contains a personality profile assessment. (A guest pastor at a church I attended also referenced this book during his sermon.) Anyway, depending on the users score the test will divide the taker into one of 9 categories: the Reformer, Helper, Achiever, Individualist, Investigator, Loyalist Enthusiast Challenger and Peacemaker. We are thought to be dominant in one category and have what they call a 'wing' into another category. In case anyone is interested here is a link to all the personality types with detailed
descriptions: Type Descriptions — The Enneagram Institute

I'm guessing many of us art folk fall into the fourth category they call 'Individualists' - 'The Sensitive, Withdrawn Type: Expressive, Dramatic, Self-Absorbed, and Temperamental'

For anyone interested, here is the books description of the Individualist:

'We have named this type The Individualist because Fours maintain their identity by seeing themselves as fundamentally different from others. Fours feel that they are unlike other human beings, and consequently, that no one can understand them or love them adequately. They often see themselves as uniquely talented, possessing special, one-of-a-kind gifts, but also as uniquely disadvantaged or flawed. More than any other type, Fours are acutely aware of and focused on their personal differences and deficiencies.

Healthy Fours are honest with themselves: they own all of their feelings and can look at their motives, contradictions, and emotional conflicts without denying or whitewashing them. They may not necessarily like what they discover, but they do not try to rationalize their states, nor do they try to hide them from themselves or others. They are not afraid to see themselves “warts and all.” Healthy Fours are willing to reveal highly personal and potentially shameful things about themselves because they are determined to understand the truth of their experience—so that they can discover who they are and come to terms with their emotional history. This ability also enables Fours to endure suffering with a quiet strength. Their familiarity with their own darker nature makes it easier for them to process painful experiences that might overwhelm other types.

Nevertheless, Fours often report that they feel they are missing something in themselves, although they may have difficulty identifying exactly what that “something” is. Is it will power? Social ease? Self-confidence? Emotional tranquility?—all of which they see in others, seemingly in abundance. Given time and sufficient perspective, Fours generally recognize that they are unsure about aspects of their self-image—their personality or ego-structure itself. They feel that they lack a clear and stable identity, particularly a social persona that they feel comfortable with.

While it is true that Fours often feel different from others, they do not really want to be alone. They may feel socially awkward or self-conscious, but they deeply wish to connect with people who understand them and their feelings. The “romantics” of the Enneagram, they long for someone to come into their lives and appreciate the secret self that they have privately nurtured and hidden from the world. If, over time, such validation remains out of reach, Fours begin to build their identity around how unlike everyone else they are. The outsider therefore comforts herself by becoming an insistent individualist: everything must be done on her own, in her own way, on her own terms. Fours’ mantra becomes “I am myself. Nobody understands me. I am different and special,” while they secretly wish they could enjoy the easiness and confidence that others seem to enjoy.

Fours typically have problems with a negative self-image and chronically low self-esteem. They attempt to compensate for this by cultivating a Fantasy Self—an idealized self-image which is built up primarily in their imaginations. A Four we know shared with us that he spent most of his spare time listening to classical music while fantasizing about being a great concert pianist—à la Vladimir Horowitz. Unfortunately, his commitment to practicing fell far short of his fantasized self-image, and he was often embarrassed when people asked him to play for them. His actual abilities, while not poor, became sources of shame.

In the course of their lives, Fours may try several different identities on for size, basing them on styles, preferences, or qualities they find attractive in others. But underneath the surface, they still feel uncertain about who they really are. The problem is that they base their identity largely on their feelings. When Fours look inward they see a kaleidoscopic, ever-shifting pattern of emotional reactions. Indeed, Fours accurately perceive a truth about human nature—that it is dynamic and ever changing. But because they want to create a stable, reliable identity from their emotions, they attempt to cultivate only certain feelings while rejecting others. Some feelings are seen as “me,” while others are “not me.” By attempting to hold on to specific moods and express others, Fours believe that they are being true to themselves.

One of the biggest challenges Fours face is learning to let go of feelings from the past; they tend to nurse wounds and hold onto negative feelings about those who have hurt them. Indeed, Fours can become so attached to longing and disappointment that they are unable to recognize the many treasures in their lives.

Leigh is a working mother who has struggled with these difficult feelings for many years.


“I collapse when I am out in the world. I have had a trail of relationship disasters. I have hated my sister’s goodness—and hated goodness in general. I went years without joy in my life, just pretending to smile because real smiles would not come to me. I have had a constant longing for whatever I cannot have. My longings can never become fulfilled because I now realize that I am attached to ‘the longing’ and not to any specific end result.”

There is a Sufi story that relates to this about an old dog that had been badly abused and was near starvation. One day, the dog found a bone, carried it to a safe spot, and started gnawing away. The dog was so hungry that it chewed on the bone for a long time and got every last bit of nourishment that it could out of it. After some time, a kind old man noticed the dog and its pathetic scrap and began quietly setting food out for it. But the poor hound was so attached to its bone that it refused to let go of it and soon starved to death.

Fours are in the same predicament. As long as they believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with them, they cannot allow themselves to experience or enjoy their many good qualities. To acknowledge their good qualities would be to lose their sense of identity (as a suffering victim) and to be without a relatively consistent personal identity (their Basic Fear). Fours grow by learning to see that much of their story is not true—or at least it is not true any more. The old feelings begin to fall away once they stop telling themselves their old tale: it is irrelevant to who they are right now.

(from The Wisdom of the Enneagram, p. 180-182)


As if we fours didn't have enough to be depressed about.
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I seem to recall that I am a 5 Investigator. Which was not a surprise since I'm a Myers Briggs INTJ.

I took the test and I'm a type 4, which also isn't surprising since I'm an INFP.

The Enneagram seems to explain alot about me. I have indeed tried a variety of identities in my life. Vegetarian/Vegan, Buddhist, Christian, etc. Also, I'm extremely self-critical and I have struggled with depression off and on most of my life.

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel like there's not something fundamentally flawed with me if I'm a Christian. TBH, I think I dealt better with that as a Buddhist. As a Christian, I have noticed a tendency to be exchanging a sense of belonging-acceptance with a sense of loss of personal integrity and authenticity.

Taking up meditation again has put some distance between "Church teaching" and my own sense of inner exploration and attempts to find self-acceptance, as well as just toning down the inner chatter overall. I've stopped trying to be a good Lutheran. That makes me feel a bit in limbo and unsure what happens to me next in terms of my spiritual identity.
 
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Taking up meditation again has put some distance between "Church teaching" and my own sense of inner exploration and attempts to find self-acceptance, as well as just toning down the inner chatter overall. I've stopped trying to be a good Lutheran. That makes me feel a bit in limbo and unsure what happens to me next in terms of my spiritual identity.

Is there something specific in Lutheranism that would be against it? I guess I would expect my old conservative Lutheran pastors to be against that sort of thing (Wels and Missouri synod) with it being related to Buddhism etc.


A few years ago when I had some problems and I used a hypnotist. There is a lot Christian culture and teaching against that, and almost all of it ignorant. (We all operate in trance states during the day, God created us this way.)

Of course the biggest factor in me doing that was I studied psychology for years. If I didn't have trouble in statistics affecting my grade average I would have been a therapist/counselor. Anyway one of the greatest short term therapists of all time Milton Erikson was a hypnotist psychiatrist.
 
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A few years ago when I had some problems and I used a hypnotist. There is a lot Christian culture and teaching against that, and almost all of it ignorant. (We all operate in trance states during the day, God created us this way.)

I've undergone hypnosis also. I worked with a Jungian therapist years ago and it helped me appreciate Christianity from that perspective. Which was noteworthy because at the time I felt I was done with religion.

Episcopalians tend to be more open to that sort of thing. Whereas some Lutherans, even in the ELCA, are allergic to anything like that. It's almost as if they believe in "justification by banality".
 
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The Enneagram seems to explain alot about me. I have indeed tried a variety of identities in my life. Vegetarian/Vegan, Buddhist, Christian, etc. Also, I'm extremely self-critical and I have struggled with depression off and on most of my life.

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel like there's not something fundamentally flawed with me if I'm a Christian.

I heard a nationally syndicated radio pastor preach against this four-ish individualist mindset saying things like 'Stop thinking you are fundamentally flawed, or damaged goods, that's no excuse to sit on the sidelines. '

This is probably why ill be stuck in non denominational until the trumpet sounds. How can one settle on a denomination if you cant even settle an identity. :)

I posted this movie quote in the non denom subforum about the 'defect' of uncertainty.

'I don't think it's a defect at all. Oh no. Uncertainty. That is appropriate for matters of this world. Only regarding the next are vouchsafed certainty....I believe certainty regarding that which we can see and touch, it is seldom justified, if ever. Down the ages, from our remote past, what certainties survive? And yet we hurry to fashion new ones. Wanting their comfort. Certainty... is the easy path... ' - Billy Knapp, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Coen Bros) on the 'defect' of uncertainty.
 
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A few years ago when I had some problems and I used a hypnotist. There is a lot Christian culture and teaching against that, and almost all of it ignorant. (We all operate in trance states during the day, God created us this way.)

When my brother was a teenager he used to read self hypnosis books. One title I remember was 'Helping Yourself with Self Hypnosis. ' These books turned him into an over achiever. e.g. President of his fraternity, triple major in undergrad and an mba afterward, ran so many marathons he needed a hip replacement surgery, back to running marathons post surgery, organizes and participates in mission trips to central America.
 
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I've been coming up with 7's on the internet quizzes (and when it doesn't come first, it's usually second), and one also gave me a 7w8 with self preservation variant. The concluding paragraph on 7's in this thread's OP reads:

On the positive side, however, Sevens are extremely optimistic people—exuberant and upbeat. They are endowed with abundant vitality and a desire to fully participate in their lives each day. They are naturally cheerful and good humored, not taking themselves too seriously, or anything else for that matter. As we have seen, the Basic Desire of Sevens is to be satisfied, happy, and fulfilled, and when they are balanced within themselves, their joy and enthusiasm for life naturally affect everyone around them. They remind us of the pure pleasure of existence—the greatest gift of all.​

Then today I found this fun little article about 7's. :)

25 Signs That You Might Be An Enneagram Type 7

I consistently test INTJ on Myers-Briggs and just barely ENTJ on an official psych exam, though the psychologist said it is so close it could go either way. I am definitely more introverted though as I tend to need to recharge after socializing with people rather than gaining energy from them.

I don't know if 7 is accurate or just more of what happened to be my mood that day, since I do tend to be more introspective than described, but I also have a tendency to be very optimistic, and even if I think I take things seriously, others sometimes don't think so because I am more casual and down-to-earth about most things. Oh well, I'm probably just weird. :)
 
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