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Will you go to hell if you commit a unforgivable sin?

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On the matter of the "unforgivable sin" in Scripture: What the Pharisees said about Christ's miracle being of the devil was simply a manifestation of the wicked character of their hearts. This, I think, is where the "unforgivable sin" actually exists - not in words, but in a heart darkened to God's light and evil in its desires. Such a heart, turned totally away from God as it is, cannot be forgiven. It despises the Person of Christ and thus cuts itself off from the sole means of reconciliation with God. Do you have a heart like this? If you did, you wouldn't be worried about it. Such hearts, hardened in rebellion toward God, don't care about the "unforgivable sin."
 
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The only unforgivable sin is neglecting to trust in Christ as your Saviour and Lord. If you fail to yield yourself to him in faith and love, you will be separated from God (and everyone else) forever.
Hi Aiki, the unpardonable sin is quite specific, as I know you know. It cannot be forgiven once it's committed, in this life or in the next. So, how is neglecting to trust Christ a sin which cannot be forgiven on this side of the grave since most (if not all) believers are guilty of committing it prior to putting our faith in Christ? Also, how can neglecting to do something be understood to be, "blasphemy"?

Thanks!

--David
p.s. - one last thing, I'm in agreement with your second sentence above about being separated from God forever in that situation, but what do you mean by separated from, "everyone else"? Thanks again :)
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The renunciation of Christ that is apostasy is not something an atheist can do. Many people have a great misunderstanding about what apostasy is and what renouncing Christ is. The only type of person who can commit apostasy, who can truly renounce Christ, is a person who has known Christ. Therefore, a person would have to have been a Christian and then renounced Christ after becoming a Christian in order to commit apostasy.
Hi again Reborn1977, if a true believer can later renounce Christ, why did the Lord tell us things like this (and how can what He said possibly be true if what you are saying is true)?

John 6:37-40 (excerpt)
"ALL that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and .. of ALL that He has given Me, I LOSE NOTHING, but raise it up on the last day"

John 10
27 “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28 and I give 'eternal' life to them, and they will 'never' perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand."

These is more I'd like to discuss from your post, but I'll stop here and wait for your answer to the question above first.

Thanks :)

--David
 
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There is no unforgivable sin.
Hi Paul, if that's true, then why does the Bible tell us that there is one sin that is unpardonable, and that from the very moment that someone commits it (IOW, on this side* of the grave)?

Thanks!

--David
p.s. - for reference, here are the verses that talk about an unpardonable sin.

Matthew 12
31 Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age* or in the age to come.

Mark 3
28 Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin
30 because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Luke 12
10 Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him.

1 John 5
16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should pray about that.
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This is like that question: Can God create a rock so big that even He can't lift it?

Anyway, Jesus said any manner of sin against Him will be forgiven.

Calling the work of the Holy Spirit the work of the devil is pretty bad though. With so many denominations out there, I can see why people get a little cautious.
 
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So, how is neglecting to trust Christ a sin which cannot be forgiven on this side of the grave since most (if not all) believers are guilty of committing it prior to putting our faith in Christ? Also, how can neglecting to do something be understood to be, "blasphemy"?

There is a sense in which a man living in determined, persistent rebellion toward God, refusing His gracious gift of salvation, is in an unforgivable state. He could be forgiven if he would be forgiven, but since he has refused to come under God's love and authority and be redeemed, he remains unforgivable - rather like a man who is dying of cancer who refuses a life-saving treatment. The sick man could be saved if he would be saved, but until he chooses to receive the treatment, he remains ill and will, eventually, die. It's not that the treatment cannot save him, only that he will not take it and so his condition is essentially the same as a man whose fatal sickness is untreatable.

The blasphemy isn't actually in the neglect of the Gospel but in the Self-worship that always supplants God in the life of the unrepentant sinner and out of which spills the sort of garbage the Pharisees spoke in Matthew 12:24. The blasphemy is in a man making himself God, worshiping and serving himself more than his Creator. (Romans 1:25) And when he does, like the Pharisees, the fruit of his lips is blasphemous and false, bearing witness to the evil in his heart. So it is that on the heels of warning the Pharisees about the "unforgivable sin," Jesus spoke of the relationship between the state of one's heart and the character of one's speech:

Matthew 13:34-35
34 O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.


I've had conversations with new believers who are obsessive-compulsive and who, when they hear about the unforgivable sin, begin to anxiously obsess about it and finally, in a fit of compulsiveness, blurt out, "The Spirit is the devil!" They then become madly fearful, despairing of their salvation, certain they have behaved just like the Pharisees in Matthew 12. This is silly, of course. It isn't the words that are the terrible thing, but the character of the heart out of which the words have come. And a new believer laboring under the terrible grip of anxiety and OCD is not speaking from the same place as the wicked Pharisees in Matthew 12:24. Their heart may be bound up in the sin against which all new believers struggle to be free, but the fundamental orientation of their heart is towards God, not away. And so, where the Pharisees blasphemed the Holy Spirit without qualm, the obsessive-compulsive new believer who has done the same is horrified that their worst fear has come upon them (which is the heart of obsessive-compulsiveness) and they have become irredeemable. They have done no such thing, of course, and it is important, I think, to tell them so. These situations are what prompt me to emphasize the heart condition of one who is guilty of the "unforgivable sin" and not the words they speak.
 
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Will you go to hell if you commit a unforgivable sin?

The scripture makes it clear that the committing of the unpardonable sin results in eternal damnation. May I ask why you are asking this?
 
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There is no such thing as hell, so you can't really go there. There is a Lake of fire though, and you can definitely go there, but not for eternity.


Scripture makes it abundantly clear that there is such a place as hell and that damnation is for all eternity for those who die rejecting Christ. I do not know where you are getting this heresy from.
 
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Scripture makes it abundantly clear that there is such a place as hell and that damnation is for all eternity for those who die rejecting Christ. I do not know where you are getting this heresy from.
ive been asking this because my dad went away from god and is not really with god right now and doesn't seem to want to. Thats really all iv been telling him about a few things about Jesus and hes been sorta getting back into God. Thats really all. plus i wanted to know more about the unforgviable sin iv learned a bunch out of this thread.
 
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Scripture makes it abundantly clear that there is such a place as hell and that damnation is for all eternity for those who die rejecting Christ. I do not know where you are getting this heresy from.[/QUOTE

It does, if you take the letter.
 
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ive been asking this because my dad went away from god and is not really with god right now and doesn't seem to want to. Thats really all iv been telling him about a few things about Jesus and hes been sorta getting back into God. Thats really all. plus i wanted to know more about the unforgviable sin iv learned a bunch out of this thread.


If there is any desire in your Dad to get back to God, then he has not committed the unpardonable sin. Anyone who has committed the unpardonable sin would have no concern over where they spend eternity and would remain at enmity with Christ.
 
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"It does, if you take the letter."

Which apparently you don’t, if by “the letter” you mean the scriptures by which we receive the Gospel in the first place of which Jesus is the source. For by the direction of His Spirit were they written being made “profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” (2 Tim. 3:16)

There is nothing to be taken for doctrine apart from what has been written in the Bible.

Take it or leave it.
 
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