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Will Trump's resounding and definitive win cause Democrats to reflect?

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I don't want to answer for someone else, but...no. If you think that Harris is politically unsuitable then that is your opinion. But the point I keep bringing up is that we shouldn't even be discussing the pros and conns of the policies being presented. That will generally divide along party lines anyway. But surely, and I mean surely, it should not be up for discussion that Trump is completely morally unsuitable for consideration for the position.
At the time, Bill Clinton was considered completely morally unsuitable for the job after lying under oath, losing his license to practice law and having an adulterous affair in the Oval Office he was also accused by multiple women of sexual assault and paid a judgement to Paula Jones.
 
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But if I agree with everything he does over the next 4 years then that won't change my position that he is by far the most unsuitable person ever to run for office. And I don't mean by dint of experience. I mean morally.
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So then you can't have a Task Force on anything according to your logic because they all leave some group out. No Task Force to fight anti semitism because it doesn't protect other minorities. No, I don't think that's how it works
They literally said in the very first sentence that it was a fight to protect religious liberty. Now, who is going to argue about that? Certainly not me. But when they start to go into details, then it's 'anti-Christian Bias that will investigate all forms of illegal discrimination, harassment, and persecution against Christians in America.'

Looks like Muslims and Jews and Hindus and anyone else who is not specifically Christian isn't included. Don't you want them to be included as well? I imagine that you do. So that quoted part of the platform singling out just the one religion is something with which you'd argue against.
 
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Actually you are agreeing with me when you say they had no plan to address working people's problems. They kept gaslighting us and telling us how good things were.
And if the Republicans don't take action that actually makes things better they will be voted out in four years
Oh, my apologies then. I thought you were saying they were fooled. You are correct we agree. Democrats were not addressing the concerns. Hopefully Republicans do better.
 
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At the time, Bill Clinton was considered completely morally unsuitable for the job after lying under oath, losing his license to practice law and having an adulterous affair in the Oval Office he was also accused by multiple women of sexual assault and paid a judgement to Paula Jones.
Unless you are using that as a schoolyard argument ('Sir, he did something wrong as well, so you can't blame me'), in which case it fails, then I'm really not sure of the relevance.
 
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They literally said in the very first sentence that it was a fight to protect religious liberty. Now, who is going to argue about that? Certainly not me. But when they start to go into details, then it's 'anti-Christian Bias that will investigate all forms of illegal discrimination, harassment, and persecution against Christians in America.'

Looks like Muslims and Jews and Hindus and anyone else who is not specifically Christian isn't included. Don't you want them to be included as well? I imagine that you do. So that quoted part of the platform singling out just the one religion is something with which you'd argue against.
Is there anything prohibiting a Task Force to defend other religions ?
 
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Kamala said she was an agent of change and Trump was not mimicking a sex act he was making a joke about the microphone not working. The way that was manipulated and falsely reported is another example of how overkill backfired on the Democrats
Oh, please. I've seen footage. This isn't second hand gossip from some left wing rag. I'd post a link, but I'm honestly not sure that the mods would consider it appropriate.
 
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Chapter 9 #3
REPUBLICANS WILL DEFEND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
" To protect religious liberty, Republicans support a new Federal Task Force on fighting anti- Christian bias that will investigate all forms of discrimination, harassment and persecution against Christians in America. "

This is a clear example of Dominionisim, government in the Church. Jesus Christ of Nazareth said that we will be persecuted for His namesake.
Well, I notice you quote this, but don't link to it. This is not from Project 2025 or Agenda 47, but the Republican Party platform. Earlier you referred to Agenda 47 as "the official GOP platform under the Trump Administration" despite it not being the official Republican Party platform--but I thought maybe you were being a bit figurative with that statement. But if you were being literal, you're incorrect, because Agenda 47 isn't the Republican platform. Agenda 47 is a (rather disorganized) group of pages on Donald Trump's website, and is a separate document entirely from the Republican platform, found here. This comes from the Republican platform, not Agenda 47.

So already this isn't evidence for Project 2025 or Agenda 47. But, hey, Trump was apparently heavily involved in the writing of the 2024 Republican platform, so let's look at it anyway. You defined Dominionism as "Christian political ideology that advocates for a society governed by Christians and based on their interpretation of biblical law".

What you're pointing to isn't that at all. That's just... defending religious liberty, which is in the first amendment of the Constitution. The fuller quote is:

3. Republicans Will Defend Religious Liberty

We are the defenders of the First Amendment Right to Religious Liberty. It protects the Right not only to Worship according to the dictates of Conscience, but also to act in accordance with those Beliefs, not just in places of Worship, but in everyday life. Our ranks include men and women from every Faith and Tradition, and we respect the Right of every American to follow his or her deeply held Beliefs. To protect Religious Liberty, Republicans support a new Federal Task Force on Fighting Anti-Christian Bias that will investigate all forms of illegal discrimination, harassment, and persecution against Christians in America.


Yikes at that capitalization! That aside, this is simply a statement of religious liberty and declaration of wanting to protect religious freedom. Now, it does put special focus on protecting Christians, but that would be--at worst--religious favoritism, which is still pretty far from the definition you offered of Dominionism.

So I still no evidence of Dominionism in Agenda 47 or Project 2025. Not only does your quote not offer evidence, it isn't even from Agenda 47 or Project 2025 to begin with!
 
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Unless you are using that as a schoolyard argument ('Sir, he did something wrong as well, so you can't blame me'), in which case it fails, then I'm really not sure of the relevance.
It's completely relevant and your response is just a duck. The comparison is not the immoral behavior but the way you react to it
 
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Oh, please. I've seen footage. This isn't second hand gossip from some left wing rag. I'd post a link, but I'm honestly not sure that the mods would consider it appropriate.
You've seen a clip and coming from the people who said clips of Biden were deep fakes your response is comical
 
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Let's say it is true that Trump is the "most unsuitable person ever to run for office"

then how in the world did the Democrats put up someone less appealing, qualified, and suitable as his challenger?

I think you need to reflect on this. Harris was an absolute embarrassment, and should never have gotten where she did. I suspect the average voter said to himself "yeah, lots of issues with Trump, but there is no way in hell I am putting this woman into the Whitehouse"
How are any of the horrible people who have achieved power over the years selected? That he won the vote does not say anything about his character. Many of the world worst despots won votes. (Not claiming Trump is a despot, just pointing out that it does not show moral character)
 
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Is there anything prohibiting a Task Force to defend other religions ?
So you agree that it's just for Christians? And that it excludes all other religions? Perhaps you really think that we'll hear about the other half dozen task forces in due course.

It would be interesting if the proposed task force made it a policy that people who trample on recognised Christian morality will be removed from office. You wouldn't want them to set a bad example, surely. Think that's a good idea? I know that some people think that convicted felons who have been found to have sexually assaulted US women should be sent from the country as well. I can't see you not supporting that.
 
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You've seen a clip and coming from the people who said clips of Biden were deep fakes your response is comical
Again, it is patently obvious what he was doing. Someone would need to be incredibly naive not to realise it. What anyone said about whatever Biden did or didn't do is utterly irrelevant. It's the schoolyard argument again.
 
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So you agree that it's just for Christians? And that it excludes all other religions? Perhaps you really think that we'll hear about the other half dozen task forces in due course.

It would be interesting if the proposed task force made it a policy that people who trample on recognised Christian morality will be removed from office. You wouldn't want them to set a bad example, surely. Think that's a good idea? I know that some people think that convicted felons who have been found to have sexually assaulted US women should be sent from the country as well. I can't see you not supporting that.
I don't even think the Task Force being referred to is a good idea I'm just pointing out this is not what the poster is claiming it is
 
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Again, it is patently obvious what he was doing. Someone would need to be incredibly naive not to realise it. What anyone said about whatever Biden did or didn't do is utterly irrelevant. It's the schoolyard argument again.
That's just your way of avoiding talking about anything except what you want to discuss.
 
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It's completely relevant and your response is just a duck. The comparison is not the immoral behavior but the way you react to it
Again, my response doesn't matter in the slightest. It doesn't change what he did. And this wasn't in a private party or in the locker room or when he thought he wasn't being filmed. This was effectively in front of what must have been many hundreds, if not thousands of people, including women and children, knowing that what he says and does is going to be broadcast to millions.

This has been seen around the world. And the rest of the world is going '...what the...?'
 
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Oh, please. I've seen footage. This isn't second hand gossip from some left wing rag. I'd post a link, but I'm honestly not sure that the mods would consider it appropriate.
Here's the video:

I've looked at the video. It's possible Trump was trying to, as you claimed, "mimicking a sex act with the microphone". The problem is that I don't see anything in the context that indicates that was on his mind; he wasn't saying any kind of innuendo that I spotted, and nothing he was talking about was remotely related to sex (he was just talking about microphones). I can't read Trump's mind so I can't know for sure what he was thinking, but I think any similarity to any sex acts were accidental.
 
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Again, my response doesn't matter in the slightest. It doesn't change what he did. And this wasn't in a private party or in the locker room or when he thought he wasn't being filmed. This was effectively in front of what must have been many hundreds, if not thousands of people, including women and children, knowing that what he says and does is going to be broadcast to millions.

This has been seen around the world. And the rest of the world is going '...what the...?'
Doesn't even begin to compare with having the actual sex act performed on you in the Oval Office. Yet Bill Clinton was re-elected decisively
 
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Again, my response doesn't matter in the slightest. It doesn't change what he did. And this wasn't in a private party or in the locker room or when he thought he wasn't being filmed. This was effectively in front of what must have been many hundreds, if not thousands of people, including women and children, knowing that what he says and does is going to be broadcast to millions.

This has been seen around the world. And the rest of the world is going '...what the...?'
There seems to be a strong susceptibility to propaganda in Australia. There is an ideologically biased press and a great deal of unvetted trust placed in that press. I have noticed this with all of the half-dozen Australians I know.
 
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Here's the video:

I've looked at the video. It's possible Trump was trying to, as you claimed, "mimicking a sex act with the microphone". The problem is that I don't see anything in the context that indicates that was on his mind; he wasn't saying any kind of innuendo that I spotted, and nothing he was talking about was remotely related to sex (he was just talking about microphones). I can't read Trump's mind so I can't know for sure what he was thinking, but I think any similarity to any sex acts were accidental.
He's been gaslighted which was aided by his desire for the claims to be true
 
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