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Will those standing before God in judgment even ask for salvation?

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The subject that I thought you were replying to and taking issue with was whether the Holy Spirit will be present after the rapture or not?

Indeed, those that are condemned will never repent and will remain in the same condition of spiritual death forever, that's a biblical promise. However, the Bible doesn't say that the Holy Spirit will be gone from the earth after the rapture. The Holy Spirit is God, he's always everywhere.
 
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Can you prove it with Scriptures ?
The wages of sin is death....and you have the gift of reading that.
Lucky you considering your payment due.

Death entered the world through Adam.

Jesus came to save man, not animals.
 
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Why would the Holy Spirit be present after the rapture?

And you are correct, now that i think about it....this might be the subject of another thread.

Good point.

Thank you Nicolaus.
 
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Why would the Holy Spirit be present after the rapture?

And you are correct, now that i think about it....this might be the subject of another thread.

Good point.

Thank you Nicolaus.
Anytime Brinny.
 
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I believe it will be too late for faith. I base this upon God's Word, one passage being:

Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

And these are referring to people who just THINK they are believers but aren't really. I can see no other judgment for those who actually deny Christ in life. In fact, I believe that everyone's name is written in the Book of Life when they are born. It takes rejection of Christ to have it removed. (There's Scripture for this too).
 
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Sequential events are due to the deteriation
of creation, so Adam and Eve would not experience
death before the Fall. Time did not exist.

Genesis 1 clearly indicates the passage of time (each day of creation) and it was before the fall.
 
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The argument assumes that God loves those who are in Hell. He does not.

Jeremiah 17:5 - For thus says the LORD: "Do not enter the house of mourning, nor go to lament or bemoan them; for I have taken away My peace from this people," says the Lord, "even lovingkindness and mercies."

There comes a point when God removes His grace and love from a person. When He has sent a reprobate to Hell to suffer the punishments of eternal suffering in fiery torment forever, that tells me that God don't love you anymore.
 
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Repenting only comes after faith. You can't feel sorry for your actions if you are the ....trump.
Faith in what? If you are in the presence of God do you have faith in God's existence or is that knowledge? Saving faith?
 
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When did he stop Loving them?
 
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Faith in what? If you are in the presence of God do you have faith in God's existence or is that knowledge? Saving faith?
You are not privileged to the presence of God without Faith in His existence.
Note that Jesus was Crucified as an illustration of this.
Only believers have to deal with reality.
 
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Until people realize that "hell" is the grave, they are not going to understand anything in the Bible.
 
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The wages of sin is death....and you have the gift of reading that.
Lucky you considering your payment due.

Death entered the world through Adam.

Jesus came to save man, not animals.

I mean the Scriptures of no time in heaven
 
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A very big part of the reason why modern Christians want to deny ECT (eternal conscious torment) arises out of our inability to see the extent of our own wickedness. If we could see our sin as God does, we would agree that it is deserving of the wrathful punishment God renders upon it. This, I think, is why we don't see the Rich Man in hell protesting his fate and clamoring to be released from his torment. He knew his sin deserved ECT. He knew God's justice to be right, to be proportionate to his sin.

We are so steeped in sin, so comfortable with it, and often so entirely blind to it, that we cannot fathom how our sin warrants eternal punishment. We love our sin. How, then, can God judge it so harshly? He must be over-reacting. The truth is, however, that we are terribly under-reacting to our sin.

There was a time when the holiness of God was better understood by believers. But the modern church has grown severely stunted in its understanding of God and the doctrines of the faith. And so, they have become susceptible to the false teachers who encourage them to take a twisted view of God's love that is divorced from His holiness and justice and tolerant of sin. And as they do, they drift farther and farther from the God they claim to know and worship.
 
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If time had passed, then you would be dead already.
The wages of sin is death, so your reading this shows that
time has not passed. Else you be dead.

But you can't write something like " as you see day approaching " if there is no time .
Hebrews 10:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
 
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I really doubt that God will not forgive or forget a person even in hell, didn't Christ saved the people at hell when He died before His resurrection , why not again and again. He asked forgiveness for the people that torture Him, murder Him and didn't bellieve Him as the Messiah.
 
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