Will there be the creation of another religion?

[Eudaimonist]

Wicca*, Eckankar, Cao Dai, Asatru* and Rastafarianism don't count?

*Marked specifically as identified since both religions are modern reassemblies of ancient pagan religions and not necessarily reconstructionist revivals.

Isn't a "reassembly" of an ancient pagan religion precisely what a reconstructionist revival is?

Besides I don't recognize Scientology as a religion, only as a scam and I feel most people who are familiar with it do the same. There were however, several new religions in the last century.

A scam and a religion are not mutually exclusive, as far as I can tell.

That said, Scientology is, at best, a minor religion. I don't see how it can be considered a major one.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Zoness]

Isn't a "reassembly" of an ancient pagan religion precisely what a reconstructionist revival is?



A scam and a religion are not mutually exclusive, as far as I can tell.

That said, Scientology is, at best, a minor religion. I don't see how it can be considered a major one.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Some people make the distinction between reconstructionist variants of certain faiths and modern interpretations of them so I figured I'd clarify my usage.

Much truth in the statement of scams and religions not being mutually exclusive.

 

[endotheistguy]

When Words of Faith came to Sweden around 1980 to 1983?
We saw it as very new but in Tulsa Oklahoma it had existed
for a while but it does show there come up new interpretations
taht gain followers. Mega Churches did not exist in that way
when I was kid. so sure there will come variants all the time.

But don't they often borrow people from other denominations
that find the new one interesting? A lot of Pentecostal Churches
tried hard to keep their members from not going over to WoF
and still a lot of them did. Not exactly religious war but they got
really upset and talked bad about the new variant but now this
many years later they have a cautious cooperation?

I guess most new churches has to go through such resistance.

I wonder if the Fantasy and Game culture ever produce a big religion

Jedi is more for fun is it not? Do they really take it seriously?

I know too little but it is an interesting topic. what is needed for such to work?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

The point I was trying to make, stands whether or not Scientology is in fact the only major religion (as opposed to a new interpretation of a previously existing religion) founded in the twentieth century. It is that experience shows us that new religions and religious movements do not necessarily, as the OP puts it, "emphasize personal freedom". On the contrary, they tend to be more dogmatic, more demanding and more authoritarian than older ones. To many of them, the very concept of "personal freedom" is anathema. The individual is nothing; the group is everything. Think Moonies, Scientologists, Hare Krishnas, etc.

 

[Eudaimonist]

The point I was trying to make, stands whether or not Scientology is in fact the only major religion (as opposed to a new interpretation of a previously existing religion) founded in the twentieth century.

Why would anyone think that Scientology is a "major" religion? It's a minor one at best.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[seeking Christ]

How much of paganism was essentially started in the last 100 years?

 

[Zoness]

The point I was trying to make, stands whether or not Scientology is in fact the only major religion (as opposed to a new interpretation of a previously existing religion) founded in the twentieth century. It is that experience shows us that new religions and religious movements do not necessarily, as the OP puts it, "emphasize personal freedom". On the contrary, they tend to be more dogmatic, more demanding and more authoritarian than older ones. To many of them, the very concept of "personal freedom" is anathema. The individual is nothing; the group is everything. Think Moonies, Scientologists, Hare Krishnas, etc.

But...its not a major religion. I agree that they do not inherently have to be more freedom-oriented but to say they tend to be more controlling? Maybe specific cults, and there are more of those than ever now but religious thought as a whole? I am not sure.

How much of paganism was essentially started in the last 100 years?

That's the point I had made a few posts back. Even my own belief set was technically founded in the 50s though based on ancient principal. That doesn't make it less valid to me. Appeal to age is a logical fallacy anyways. Though yes, most reconstructionist pagan religions have been on the uptick since the mid 20th century.

Much of the reasoning for this is that true reconstructionism isn't tenable for many pagan faiths as Christian kings destroyed many of the knowledge bases of paganism which were few since oral tradition was prevalent still at the time. Of course there will be a bit of syncreticism involved but the movements grow regardless. Syncreticism doesn't bother many people.

 

[Spiritlight]

There are 2 new religions..

 

[seeking Christ]

Even my own belief set was technically founded in the 50s though based on ancient principal. That doesn't make it less valid to me. Appeal to age is a logical fallacy anyways. Though yes, most reconstructionist pagan religions have been on the uptick since the mid 20th century.

Much of the reasoning for this is that true reconstructionism isn't tenable for many pagan faiths as Christian kings destroyed many of the knowledge bases of paganism which were few since oral tradition was prevalent still at the time. Of course there will be a bit of syncreticism involved but the movements grow regardless. Syncreticism doesn't bother many people.

You may find this an odd comparison but I look at Christianity as being in the same boat. Its easy to look at the glaring errors everyone picks on like the crusades and inquisitions and conclude that I cannot and will not accept what came out of that as authentic. But looking farther back into history, I see no encouraging signposts of sanity, nothing to tell me that this was "the real thing;" not until I go back to the original early Church.

And under those conditions it was a hodge podge of ideas, relying on oral tradition, with most everything that was ever written down destroyed by Kings. Now despite the corruption I do think that the better ideas survived for the most part, and of course at least some practice of it has endured continuously; but I'm not at all sure that any of those practices actually help me to know what was the original / pure religion, or even thought processes.

So I'm totally relating to your reconstructionism, and fallacy of antiquity complaints. The truth is out there!

 

[endotheistguy]

Microsoft being that dominating for so long
made Apple seens as a liberator almost
and Steve Jobs as a Messianic Hero
giving an alternative or a as a reformer
like Luther from RCC?

So now when we have Linux that is the FOSS religion
the very latest very individualistic and independent of
the big two players.

Not religious religions but as fierce in that they easily
get into flame wars with each other all three.

I support Linux but I know from personal experience
how fanatical even Linux supporters can be. :sad face:

Consumerism seems to be one of the newest big religions.
Or Game Playing maybe. Political Correctness is one of
the most fundy religions that is very political and strong.

 

[Spiritlight]

Microsoft being that dominating for so long
made Apple seens as a liberator almost
and Steve Jobs as a Messianic Hero
giving an alternative or a as a reformer
like Luther from RCC?

So now when we have Linux that is the FOSS religion
the very latest very individualistic and independent of
the big two players.

Not religious religions but as fierce in that they easily
get into flame wars with each other all three.

I support Linux but I know from personal experience
how fanatical even Linux supporters can be. :sad face:

Consumerism seems to be one of the newest big religions.
Or Game Playing maybe. Political Correctness is one of
the most fundy religions that is very political and strong.

Linux is the tech religions Scientology coz it seems weird to most and Windows is islam as it has old blinded conservative militant followers who wont leave thier religion.

Apple must be christianity because every other christian has one. I think they get it included with a baptism.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Apple is kinda evil, really. They may seem benign at first glance because they are Microsoft's one big competitor - but just because the corporation you are competing with is kind of sinister does not render you the champion of good, really.

Here's some of the things that render Apple quite suspicious to me:
5 Reasons You Should Be Scared of Apple | Cracked.com

I also get the heebie-jeebies when I see them selling not just products, but an identity. Advertising is geared towards selling the message that if you buy Apple products, this ought to tell people a lot about who you are.

 

[endotheistguy]

Yes Ms and Apple has been the major players
and not Android try to get into the play too.

Linux is odd man out in that they are the hundreds different flaviors

okay mainly some big names with varieties.

Ubuntu seems to find their own niche with soon their own smartphone?

Linux is almost like a religion too. Somebody set up a mock religion of
Church of Google. The Google Search will save you. Lol

the religion that I hope will emerge should be very friendly
and ethically fair and nice and that is as little self righteous as possible.

As Iget it religions get too self righteous too easily and that is a shame.

Or it is just me projecting my own behavior on them

Consumerism must be one of the biggest religion we have.
Every Sunday the whole family go to the Mall and due the duty

 

[UnafraidOne]

And the Galilean came to me in a dream and told me that he knew I wondered what kind of poet he would have made, and he said to me:

Come follow me
And I will make you fishers of men
You will feel the fiery infernal
Are the only internal demons eternal
Are the only eternal demons internal
Come, follow follow me once again