Will the Mark be something like this?

[Andrew]

I got this e-mail from a friend. Its from MSNBC News:

"An ATM card under your skin. Florida Company pushes chip implants as ID alternative. Radio frequency identification tags arent just for pallets of goods in supermarkets anymore. Applied Digital Solutions (ADS) of Palm Beach, Fla., is hoping that Americans can be persuaded to implant RFID chips under their skin to identify themselves when going to a cash machine or in place of using a credit card. Read Revelation chapter 13. The Apocalypse IS NOT hard to understand, that's a lie. It is written so we will know what is happening."

More at:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/997952.asp?0cv=CB20

Any comments?

 

[Iddie4him]

From everything I have read and seen about this subject, It will not be any kind of implant. It will be more like a tattoo and it will be barcoded to contain all your personal information.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Interesting Andy...
I have always had problems trying to put meanings to the book of Rev. Is this going to be a literal mark.... or is it going to be something spiritual? I have thought that it was going to be a spiritual mark that put everyone who was not born again into this group. 1 John says everyone who does not believe in Jesus is part of the antichrist system.
Just some thoughts.
Didy

 

[Tami]

Personally, I believe it's going to be a literal mark because the Bible says that whoever doesn't have the mark will not be able to buy or sell anything which would mean that if you plan on buying or selling anything, you better be able to show your mark which will be in your right hand or in your forehead.



"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free or bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." Revelation 13:16-18 (KJV)



Tami

 

[ron70]

I was reading about a company called Verichip the other day. They have come up with a chip small enough to be implanted under the skin with a needle. With the right equipment they can access anything from your driving record to your medical record with it. I read an article in a newspaper a while ago that France is looking to create something like it that will work with GPS satelites.

This could be something like the mark the Bible is talking about in Revelation.

 

[ron70]

I got this e-mail from a friend. Its from MSNBC News:

"An ATM card under your skin. Florida Company pushes chip implants as ID alternative. Radio frequency identification tags arent just for pallets of goods in supermarkets anymore. Applied Digital Solutions (ADS) of Palm Beach, Fla., is hoping that Americans can be persuaded to implant RFID chips under their skin to identify themselves when going to a cash machine or in place of using a credit card. Read Revelation chapter 13. The Apocalypse IS NOT hard to understand, that's a lie. It is written so we will know what is happening."

More at:

Any comments?

A Christian website I frequent sometimes was talking about that. I think ADS is the maker of VeriChip... anyway... According to the site, WalMart is going to require anything sold by them to have an RFID chip somewhere within the product so they can monitor where there products are going after they leave the store.

 

[Andrew]

Personally, I believe it's going to be a literal mark because the Bible says that whoever doesn't have the mark will not be able to buy or sell anything which would mean that if you plan on buying or selling anything, you better be able to show your mark which will be in your right hand or in your forehead.

That's what I think too.

But on another note. Given the post sept 11 era, terrorism is now the problem of the world, or soldiers as well as civilians. It is the unseen enemy. Strikes anywhere at anyone. How can the world fight this invisible enemy? How can the world become more secure, where everyone can be easily identified, tracked, documented, etc?

Perhaps this chip or something like that (hey technology moves so fast) will make the world more secure in the eyes of man.

So, perhaps the stage is being set for such a form of identification. hhmmm....

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Big Brother Gets Under Your Skin​

I read this article about two years ago. No telling where they are at in their development now.​

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17834​

 

[MikeMcK]

Andrew,

No, I don't believe that's what the mark of the beast will be.

Remember, you can't be subjected to taking mark, you have to choose to take it.

To be honest, I don't know what the mark's going to be. I've heard several theories and there are a couple that make sense.

I'm not all that worried about it because I believe that the church will be gone before this happens, anyway.

Tami makes a good point and that would certainly seem to indicate a literal mark of some kind but I tend to believe that it's simply an unregenerate heart.

 

[Georgius]

I think MikeMcK makes an excellent point. The Rapture or "catching away" of the Church should occur before the rise of the Anti-Christ so the "mark of the beast" isn't a problem we need to worry about.

Further, it seems to me (from study of Revelations) that in the post-Rapture Anti-Christ-controlled world that there will be ton of conversions AFTER the Rapture. This tends to imply that there will be a sharp contrast between choosing for or against the Anti-Christ and his world-scheme. So I don't think they will be able to FORCE anyone to receive the mark, but rather they will either choose it or choose Eternal Life through Christ Jesus and probably instant Martyrdom (i.e. The Anti-Christ's people will kill them when they choose AGAINST the mark).

Just my thoughts.

-G

 

[Unix]

I think all people, christian or not, and especially christians, should not take any kind of mark, because of Revelation 13 and because its a stupid system

 

[Pete Murphy]

I'm with Andrew. A while ago I read somewhere that the Greek word that is translated to the word mark in revelation literally means something like "sharp point". (I can't find my source but if someone could back me up on that it would be handy) The person that wrote it believed that it should be interpreted to mean a needle prick inserted under the skin.

If so then this RFID chip or one like it might fit the bill. I'd keep my eye on it.

 

[enoch son]

With 9-11 make sense with the homeland ser. dept.. One's right do seem to be going bye-bye. The question is are will still here?

 

[crystalpc]

With 9-11 make sense with the homeland ser. dept.. One's right do seem to be going bye-bye. The question is are will still here?

My husband and I have been discussing this. First we must realize that John the Revelator was a first century man. Transported 2000 years into the future, he didn't have the vocabulary to describe what he was seeing. There were no Atomic bombs etc. So he used picture storys to describe what he saw at the time.
Although Revelation was written in Greek it is transcribed by a hebrew author. And is very hebraic in content.
I said all of this to get to this point. What if it was not a visible mark. What if it was a scanning device that was scanning the face, or the hand. Just like they are using now in Britian? What would appear to be looking at the forehead (Iris scans) or handprints? That is a more frightening scenario, but it is being put into play right now.
I have been pre-trib in beliefs, mid-trib, and post-trib during my years as a Christian. I am back to pre-trib and swinging toward mid-trib. The reasoning is good for all of them, I think that I am praying we will be out of here before all of it begins. Then 9/11 happened, and I am leaning at mid-trib, because I believe his coming is even sooner than anyone expects. A lot of things can happen in a very short time.
II Thessolonians seems to point to post-trib.2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I am praying though that the pre-trib teachers are right.

 

[crystalpc]

Big Brother Gets Under Your Skin​

I read this article about two years ago. No telling where they are at in their development now.​

They have it perfected, they implant dogs and cats with it now. There is also a man in FL with health problems who had it done. They are talking about using it on children to keep them from being kidnapped..

 

[LilAngelHeart]

I think it will be a tangible mark, but with more of a spiritual meaning behind it. I mean why would getting the mark represent something so evil that the Bible warns us against, if it was just a bar code for credit verification, or with your history on it? I won't be taking any marks of any kind, but what really makes those different than tattoos? There has to be a spiritual connection to the mark where the mark is like a sysmbol of some other god or somehow signifies rejecting God. That's what I think.

 

[LilAngelHeart]

They may use the technology of implants or whatever, but the meaning or purpose of it will have a more spiritual meaning. There has to be something about it that symbolizes rejecting God.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

My husband and I have been discussing this. First we must realize that John the Revelator was a first century man. Transported 2000 years into the future, he didn't have the vocabulary to describe what he was seeing. There were no Atomic bombs etc. So he used picture storys to describe what he saw at the time.
Although Revelation was written in Greek it is transcribed by a hebrew author. And is very hebraic in content.
I said all of this to get to this point. What if it was not a visible mark. What if it was a scanning device that was scanning the face, or the hand. Just like they are using now in Britian? What would appear to be looking at the forehead (Iris scans) or handprints? That is a more frightening scenario, but it is being put into play right now.
I have been pre-trib in beliefs, mid-trib, and post-trib during my years as a Christian. I am back to pre-trib and swinging toward mid-trib. The reasoning is good for all of them, I think that I am praying we will be out of here before all of it begins. Then 9/11 happened, and I am leaning at mid-trib, because I believe his coming is even sooner than anyone expects. A lot of things can happen in a very short time.
II Thessolonians seems to point to post-trib.2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I am praying though that the pre-trib teachers are right.

II Thessolonians seems to point to post-trib.2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I am praying though that the pre-trib teachers are right.

I used to be pre-trib also, for 30 years, but here about a year ago, I changed my believe on this. I am post-trib, pre -wrath now. It had alot to do with this scripture that you posted, but on other bible scriptures also. I am firmly planted in this belief now, and finally at peace within myself.
Alot of the pre-trib believers take this "falling away" to be the church being raptured. I can't hold that view. I believe it is the falling away of the ones that used to believe in Christ. We are headed toward apostacy, and this mark, whatever it is, I believe it is in the near future.

 

[crystalpc]

Alot of the pre-trib believers take this "falling away" to be the church being raptured. I can't hold that view. I believe it is the falling away of the ones that used to believe in Christ. We are headed toward apostacy, and this mark, whatever it is, I believe it is in the near future

I have to agree with you on all points. This apostasy (rapture) theory was never taught until the last few years.
I first heard the teaching from a friend who saw Charles Capps give it, I was astonished.
Then Perry Stone began giving it along with the greek, and the little known second or minor translation of the word. Watching the convocation at the prophecy conference on God's news, I heard Hal Lindsey agree with him on this minor meaning. I am praying they are right, but I am not sure they are. Our church taught and teaches the pre-trib rapture, and I never questioned it until I read the above verse. I became a post-trib believer.
I began listening to Chuck Missler a couple of years ago, and he explained the difference between ecclesia saints, and the Jewish saints the time of Jacobs trouble. It was a good tretise, and believable, then 9/11 happened...

I remembered a statement in Haleys handbook written in the 1920s how he called mohammedism antichrist. I remember when I read it, as a child I thought how absurd to believe that in this day and time. How could that be a threat to an atomic power like we had become? Seems it was not as absurd as I thought it was...If you remember during that time muslims were fighting in India with Hindus, Indonesia with Christians and Buddhist, and we know the war of the Sudan, now Nigeria and other parts of Africa. Suddenly it was as if there was a concerted effort to go to war with every major religion in the world.
No one wants pre-trib to be true more than I do, but I like you have a feeling that we are a lot closer to our Lords coming than what most of us know.
Billy Graham as great an evangelist as he was would never teach on Jesus second coming. His statement went something like if you died tonight that would be the end of the world for you for sure. If you notice his focus in his last few meetings has been on the second coming of Jesus. I have no ideal what the mark is, but I know it is right at our doorstep.
And although no one wants to see the heartache worse than that again we will witness far worse before it is over with. With half of the worlds population being wiped out with disease, warfare, and famine. That is what 1/3 then 1/4 will finally add up to. That is over 3 billion people!
The other scriptures that convinced me to a post-trib view, was when the Lord said every eye will behold him like lightening from east to the west, then the last trumpet scriptures in Thess and Revelations.
With John we have to say even so come Lord Jesus come, amen.
I probably should have said that my pre-trib views were based on hoping that the others are right. Sorry for rambling...

 

[Godz Marine]

I have to agree with you on all points. This apostasy (rapture) theory was never taught until the last few years.
I first heard the teaching from a friend who saw Charles Capps give it, I was astonished.
Then Perry Stone began giving it along with the greek, and the little known second or minor translation of the word. Watching the convocation at the prophecy conference on God's news, I heard Hal Lindsey agree with him on this minor meaning. I am praying they are right, but I am not sure they are. Our church taught and teaches the pre-trib rapture, and I never questioned it until I read the above verse. I became a post-trib believer.
I began listening to Chuck Missler a couple of years ago, and he explained the difference between ecclesia saints, and the Jewish saints the time of Jacobs trouble. It was a good tretise, and believable, then 9/11 happened...

I remembered a statement in Haleys handbook written in the 1920s how he called mohammedism antichrist. I remember when I read it, as a child I thought how absurd to believe that in this day and time. How could that be a threat to an atomic power like we had become? Seems it was not as absurd as I thought it was...If you remember during that time muslims were fighting in India with Hindus, Indonesia with Christians and Buddhist, and we know the war of the Sudan, now Nigeria and other parts of Africa. Suddenly it was as if there was a concerted effort to go to war with every major religion in the world.
No one wants pre-trib to be true more than I do, but I like you have a feeling that we are a lot closer to our Lords coming than what most of us know.
Billy Graham as great an evangelist as he was would never teach on Jesus second coming. His statement went something like if you died tonight that would be the end of the world for you for sure. If you notice his focus in his last few meetings has been on the second coming of Jesus. I have no ideal what the mark is, but I know it is right at our doorstep.
And although no one wants to see the heartache worse than that again we will witness far worse before it is over with. With half of the worlds population being wiped out with disease, warfare, and famine. That is what 1/3 then 1/4 will finally add up to. That is over 3 billion people!
The other scriptures that convinced me to a post-trib view, was when the Lord said every eye will behold him like lightening from east to the west, then the last trumpet scriptures in Thess and Revelations.
With John we have to say even so come Lord Jesus come, amen.
I probably should have said that my pre-trib views were based on hoping that the others are right. Sorry for rambling...

The rapture "theory" was preached and taught before Capps and Perry presented it. Granted, it is less than one hundred years in the teaching but this in no way discounts it. The Pentecostle movement is less than one hundred years old, along with the Charismatic and Word of Faith movements.

One should remember that the tribulation itself is to fulfill the 70th week which only concerns the nation of Israel. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all deal with Israel as we can read in the termanologies and references used. After the ressurection we see the beginning of the "church age" and we can read for ourselves that Israel is no longer the center of attention. References and termanologies change.

In the first 3 chapters of Revelation we can see that it is the church, not the nation of Israel that is being addressed. After Chapter 4, verse 1, we can again see a change in termanologies and references to indicate that once again that the nation of Israel is the focus which would indidcate the beginning of Daniel's 70 week which God had reserved until the end to once and for all deal with Israel's disobedience and rebellion. The church has no part to play in this period of discipline.

If the church was still here through the tribulation why would it not be addressed as it had from Acts through Jude and as Christ has done in the first 3 chapters of Revelation?

IMHO

Love, Peace, and Grace!

Greg