Will Jesus physically return to Earth?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Eucharisted Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven. The angels who appeared to the Apostles said He'd descend just as He ascended.

I second that!

So do I

Reve 1:18 and the living One! And I became dead, and behold, I am living into the Ages of the Ages,
and I am having the Keys of the Hades and of the Death

Reve 11:12 And they hear a great Voice out of the Heaven saying to them "Ascend ye"! here.
And they ascended into the heaven in the cloud and observed them, the enemies of them.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7461118/#post54553876
Lazarus and 2 witnesses of Reve 11 similarity

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Brinny....totally. That is IT in a nutshell.

PS- I see your blog, I will take a look later

Brinny is indeed spirit led!

 

[SummaScriptura]

The thread is dead, long live the thread!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The thread is dead, long live the thread!

Like trying to kick a dead horse, eh

Reve 11:11 And after the three days and half-equal, a spirit/breath of life out of the God entered in them and they stand/esthsan <2476> (5627) on their feet and great fear falls upon the ones observing them.

Reve 20:5 The rest of the dead-ones not live until should be being finished the thousand years.
This the Resurrection/ana-stasiV <386>, the first/prwth <4413>.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I voted yes, but what I really believe is that He will both meet us in the air, and rule and reign bodily on the Earth, according to scripture

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I voted yes, but what I really believe is that He will both meet us in the air, and rule and reign bodily on the Earth, according to scripture

Sounds good to me

 

[Angelo6030]

My view on this starts with the rapture. When you quote 1 Thessalonians 4:17, THAT refers to the rapture. Look, "Then we which alive and remain shall be brought up together in the clouds to meet the Lord." this is the Literal grabbing of the church(the believers.) This does not refer to the second coming at all (in my opinion.)

Now Matthew 24:30, "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." In my opinion, this is the literal coming of Christ to our earth, after the tribulation period. This argument can be debated due to different views of people.

 

[Hairy Tic]

Will his feet actually touch the ground in the second coming?

1 Thess 1:17 states we will be caught up to meet him in the air, Rev 21 seems to support this idea by describing the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven and the bride of Christ (church) is within, and this is after the old heaven and earth had passed away, also backed up in Matt 24:35.

However there are some who suggest Jesus will physically return to Earth. They support this by quoting Zechariah 14:4 which says, "in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives," and Revelation 11:15 which says, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!'"

Does Zechariah 14 and Rev 11 describe the second coming?

## No, they do not.

Revelation 11:15 is a verse of immense importance, because of its theology. The passage that contains it is one of the most important passages in one of the most important NT books. But the verse says what it does, because it is the true form of the lying & devilish & Cross-free form of Kingship offerd by satan to Jesus in the Temptation-scene. AFAICS 11.15 may refer to the Crucifixion, if it refers to anything on earth - it presents the meaning of the Crucifixion as dramatised theology. Jesus does reign on earth - but from the Cross. That is how the Kingship of God becomes effective - not by earthly kingship.

Earthly types of kingship are useless, as they are under the dominion of satan. They be can't be used as means of the Kingship of God, because the aion (= age or world) of satan is opposed to that of God; the one age can be overcome - as it is meant to be - only if the other, that ruled by God, takes its place. Which is why "the prince of this age must be cast out". Earthly types of kingship belong to the age that Jesus came to destroy, whose prince He came to cast out. So His Kingship, which is secondary to that of God - cannot be of that kind. The notion that His kingdom will be a political kingdom is entirely mistaken. It's less than Christian. His Kingship is exerted over & through His Church, now - what will come hereafter is not the Rapture, nor an earthly millennium, but the Judgement.

Revelation, with or without Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah or parts thereof, is not trying to provide a prophetic clock or any kind of scheme of the future; it can't be read that way without being seriously distorted. It's an Jewish apocalyptic book from the first century AD, and needs to be read against that background. It has nothing to say about US Presidents, Popes, the BP oil spill, Napoleon I, Napoleon III, the Kaiser, microchips, or the Chinese army (all of which have been found in it). Any more than Ezekiel 38 is concerned to speak of Tobolsk & Moscow, & to predict a Russian invasion of the State of Israel. The notion that Jesus will reign as a earthly sovereign on this fallen earth belongs to the same circle of ideas. Some past Empires have been gigantic - & are now defunct. To make the Kingship of Christ no different in kind from these, is to make Him the ruler of just another "kingdom of this world", no better than its predecessors. His dominion on the Cross & over & in His Church is more than this, not less.

 

[John 07]

Sounds good to me

does that mean he will re-incarnate...leave heaven and and take on some kind of flesh...? he will look like the 'old' Jesus, features, nose and such?

the reincarnation of Jesus Christ

?

 

[Jpark]

Will his feet actually touch the ground in the second coming?

1 Thess 1:17 states we will be caught up to meet him in the air, Rev 21 seems to support this idea by describing the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven and the bride of Christ (church) is within, and this is after the old heaven and earth had passed away, also backed up in Matt 24:35.

However there are some who suggest Jesus will physically return to Earth. They support this by quoting Zechariah 14:4 which says, "in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives," and Revelation 11:15 which says, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!'"

Does Zechariah 14 and Rev 11 describe the second coming?

There is only one future coming of Christ, and when He comes, that is the Millennium.

If there is only one coming of Christ, what is the Rapture?

It is not a coming of Christ to the earth. It is a coming of Christ to the air. Notice 1 Thess. 4:17 says in the clouds and in the air.

Acts 1:9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

The Rapture will take place in the first heaven. It will be instant, in a blink of an eye. No one will see it.

But will He return in the spiritual body He exhibited? Yes (Acts 1:11).

As for Rev. 21, although the Revelation chapters are not always in chronological order, Rev. 21 is a future event, not Christ's coming or the Rapture.

Rev. 21:2-3
2And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

2The new Jerusalem is, or includes, God's throne (Rev. 22:1, 3). Heaven in verse 2 refers to the highest heaven.
3God has left the highest heaven and has come down to the third heaven (where the tree of life is).

Rev. 21:2-3
Rev. 22:2
Rev. 22:3
Rev. 2:7, 2 Cor. 12:2, 4

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Eucharisted Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven. The angels who appeared to the Apostles said He'd descend just as He ascended.

I second that!

Then how come Reve 19:11 shows Him coming back on a white horse?

NKJV) Revelation 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold! a white horse, and He who sat on him [was] called Faithful
and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.

 

[simonthezealot]

does that mean he will re-incarnate...leave heaven and and take on some kind of flesh...? he will look like the 'old' Jesus, features, nose and such?

the reincarnation of Jesus Christ

?

Christ is and remains eternally in His glorified flesh.
Firstborn of the dead.

 

[Elder 111]

Will his feet actually touch the ground in the second coming?

1 Thess 1:17 states we will be caught up to meet him in the air, Rev 21 seems to support this idea by describing the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven and the bride of Christ (church) is within, and this is after the old heaven and earth had passed away, also backed up in Matt 24:35.

However there are some who suggest Jesus will physically return to Earth. They support this by quoting Zechariah 14:4 which says, "in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives," and Revelation 11:15 which says, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!'"

Does Zechariah 14 and Rev 11 describe the second coming?

The Confusion come because there are two evens spoken of.

1. Jesus second coming is in 1 Thess. in which He will not touch the earth. That is why He could say: Mat. 24 25Behold, I have told you before.

26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
2. Rev. Speaks of after the 1000 years.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Confusion come because there are two evens spoken of.

1. Jesus second coming is in 1 Thess. in which He will not touch the earth. That is why He could say: Mat. 24 25Behold, I have told you before.

26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
2. Rev. Speaks of after the 1000 years.

Aren't there some who view that Jesus will be physically reigning on the earth in Jerusalem during that period as shown in the poll results?

http://www.christianforums.com/poll18361/
Question time. Jesus returns before or after 1000yrs

 

[Elder 111]

Aren't there some who view that Jesus will be physically reigning on the earth in Jerusalem during that period as shown in the poll results?

http://www.christianforums.com/poll18361/
Question time. Jesus returns before or after 1000yrs

It is not what they think but what is.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

"...from thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end." - Nicene Creed

-CryptoLutheran

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You need an option for both. I went with the first one because it comes first.

Sounds like a plan

 

[Saucy]

So what happens to heaven then?

 

[brinny]

"Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." ~acts 1:11

 

[Hentenza]

"Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." ~acts 1:11

That verse sums it up nicely.