Will Jesus physically return to Earth?

[Tangible]

Then my brother, you are not using a grammatical-historical hermeneutic but an allegorical one. This is called spiritualizing scripture.

No, this is called interpreting apocalyptic scripture as apocalyptic scripture.

I prefer to use a literal reading when indicated and it makes sense.

That is called placing reason above revelation. I love a good paradox myself.

Many use the allegorical hermeneutic when reading Genesis and consequently deny the literal existence of Adam and Eve. I believe that it is a dangerous hermeneutic.

I do not, and my church does not.

There is a vast difference between Genesis and Revelation. Genesis does not describe something seen in visions. It is related as narrative, therefore to be understood literally.

 

[Hentenza]

No, this is called interpreting apocalyptic scripture as apocalyptic scripture.

But again, you interpret all apocalyptic scripture the same simply because it is apocalyptic scripture. If that is the case then you have to interpret Matt 25 and others end of times scripture allegorically or spiritually.

Tell me, Matt. 24 is mainly apocalyptic scripture including the coming of Jesus. Is Jesus coming back literally or spiritually?

 

[Stryder06]

Why can't the place he has prepared for us be the new earth?

I'd say because He said "In My Father's house are many mansions...I Go to prepare a place for you..."

The Father's house is not on earth, and the place He is going to prepare for us is not on earth. When Christ returns He will not create the new earth first. That comes after the judgment and destruction of the wicked and the purification of the earth by fire.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'd say because He said "In My Father's house are many mansions...I Go to prepare a place for you..."

The Father's house is not on earth, and the place He is going to prepare for us is not on earth. When Christ returns He will not create the new earth first. That comes after the judgment and destruction of the wicked and the purification of the earth by fire.

Where is the "Bridegroom" coming out of in this verse I quoted in an earlier post [Matt 25:6]?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7448114-2/#post54288802

 

[Tangible]

Tell me, Matt. 24 is mainly apocalyptic scripture including the coming of Jesus. Is Jesus coming back literally or spiritually?

Yes! Literally materially and literally spiritually.

I'd say because He said "In My Father's house are many mansions...I Go to prepare a place for you..."

The Father's house is not on earth, and the place He is going to prepare for us is not on earth. When Christ returns He will not create the new earth first. That comes after the judgment and destruction of the wicked and the purification of the earth by fire.

So God has a physical house with physical rooms?

As to God's itinerary, I don't think he has revealed it fully to us. I also don't think any of us will be in the position to raise any objections if his schedule of events doesn't exactly follow our laminated color charts.

Personally, I think the best instructions given us regarding the end times are simply to watch and pray, and let God be God.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Yes! Literally materially and literally spiritually.

So God has a physical house with physical rooms?

According to the Newsboys He does!!!!!

I don't know where you lay your head,or where you call your home.
I don't know where you eat your meals,or where you talk on the phone.

I don't know if you've got a cook, a butler, or a maid.
I don't know if you've got a yard with a hammock in the shade.
I don't know if you've got some shelter, say some place to hide.
I don't know if you live with friends in whom you can confide.

I don't know if you've got a family, say a mom or dad.
I don't know if you love at all, but I bet you wish you had.

CHORUS:
Come and go with me to my father's house.
Come and go with me to my father's house.
It's a big, house with lots and lots of rooms.
A big, big house with lots and lots of food.
A big, big yard where we can play football.
A big, house it's my father's house.

All I know is a big, big house with rooms for everyone.
All I know is lots of land where we can play and run.

All I know is you need love, and I've got a family.
All I know is your all alone, why not come with me.


PS: I cannot stand this song.

 

[Hentenza]

Yes! Literally materially and literally spiritually.

So what precludes Him from returning literally and materially to reign for 1000 years?

 

[Tangible]

Nothing! Nor for 100 thousands, or a thousand thousands, or an infinity of thousands

 

[JamesAH]

He will come in a blaze of Glory

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So what precludes Him from returning literally and materially to reign for 1000 years?

What will He and those with Him be doing for all that time?

 

[Stryder06]

So God has a physical house with physical rooms?

What constitutes a house with many rooms in heaven is unknown to me. I do know that Christ was driving at the point that there will be places for us in heaven.

As to God's itinerary, I don't think he has revealed it fully to us. I also don't think any of us will be in the position to raise any objections if his schedule of events doesn't exactly follow our laminated color charts.

Personally, I think the best instructions given us regarding the end times are simply to watch and pray, and let God be God.

I have to disagree. God may not have revealed everything to us, that much I can agree with you on, but that which has been revealed is being thrown out as irrelevant. God gives some much needed information about the end times, but that information is either being misinterpreted or cast aside because "you can't really understand it"

I think the best is for us to "read and hear and understand the words of the prophecy of this book."

 

[bling]

Will his feet actually touch the ground in the second coming?

1 Thess 1:17 states we will be caught up to meet him in the air, Rev 21 seems to support this idea by describing the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven and the bride of Christ (church) is within, and this is after the old heaven and earth had passed away, also backed up in Matt 24:35.

However there are some who suggest Jesus will physically return to Earth. They support this by quoting Zechariah 14:4 which says, "in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives," and Revelation 11:15 which says, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!'"

Does Zechariah 14 and Rev 11 describe the second coming?

No, it discribes Jesus first coming and the Kingdom today which last forever just not for ever on earth.

 

[Tyndale]

No, it discribes Jesus first coming and the Kingdom today which last forever just not for ever on earth.

Brother Bling, I tend to agree. Zech 14 and Rev 11 may have been describing the ressurection when Jesus defeated death, when day turned to night and the earth moved. These were the things Peter said have happened on the day of Pentecost. The living waters which spring out from Jerusalem could be the Good News of Salvation in Christ. Rev 21 talks about his second coming, it doesn't mention he will again set foot on the Earth. Why should he set foot on Earth again? The Earth is a worldy place, its not righteous enough for our Lord since he now wears the holy garments of God, not the flesh and bone of man.

Is there any fancy thoerys like pre-trib, post trib, etc, etc which tends to agree with our beliefs on this?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No, it discribes Jesus first coming and the Kingdom today which last forever just not for ever on earth.

I agree

Matt 3:2 Saying "be ye reforming! for has neared/hggiken <1448> (5758) the Kingdom of the heavens"

Luke 21:31 "Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing these becoming, ye are knowing that nigh/egguV <1451> is the Kingdom of the God

http://www.christianforums.com/t7357375/
Luke 21:31 Kingdom of God comes

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Yep!

 

[Tangible]

For many, many years I though eternal life in heaven would be some kind of non-corporeal, ephemeral existence floating around in a celestial heaven as a pure spirit.

It was years before I realized that, except for a short time between when (if) we die to Christ's triumphal second advent, 'heaven' will be an eternal physical existence on the New Earth - albeit with a resurrected, glorified physical body (with whatever capabilities that entails).

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

I wonder if there will be forums on the New Earth?
Will we all be posting on the "New CF" on the New Earth?????

 

[Tangible]

I wonder if there will be forums on the New Earth?
Will we all be posting on the "New CF" on the New Earth?????

Community at a distance without the need for computers. That would be cool.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

I can see it now...Protestants and Catholics arguing in Heaven about the same ole stuff they do now here!!!!
With Jesus telling both sides....

"Guys...Guys...GUYS!!!! It's over....just stop...Now hug."

lol

 

[Tangible]

Oh, no. That's one thing I'm looking forward to the most. Glorified relationships! Perfect unity in Christ.

That and maybe pterodactyl rides. (What? It could happen! )