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Will buddhists go to hell?
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So, if we can only get to the Father through the Son, why can't Buddhists, at the time of their judgement, also go to the Father through the Son. Perhaps I am making a mistake in assuming that you are speaking on topic.
Are you saying that Buddhists can't go to Heaven?
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The Lord gives specifics in His Word which is what new Christians need nourished in, not our personal feelings.
The Lord God has many ways of speaking to people, not just through other people.. Christians cannot base opinions of heaven and hell upon personal feelings or some nonbiblical teachings but must on the Word of God. It is not a Biblical teaching that we can pray for dead people and they will be saved. that teaching does not come from the Bible. If there is a Biblical reference that says without Christ people can still live with the Lord i will read it too. but verses have to be in context containing surrounding verses pertaining.
Matthew 5:
19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 10: 32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
Matthew 7: 13"(C)Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
John 14: 5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
Here are several more interesting passages:
some will ask "don't goodhearted people go to heaven even without Christ if they are good enough?"
actually all those verses do show their is only one way to heaven.
and there is proof nobody is truly good-hearted
Matthew 19:
16And behold, there came a man up to Him, saying, Teacher, what excellent and perfectly and essentially good deed must I do to possess eternal life?(A)
17And He said to him, Why do you ask Me about the perfectly and essentially good? There is only One Who is good [perfectly and essentially]--God. If you would enter into the Life, you must continually keep the commandments.
18He said to Him, What [a]sort of commandments? [Or, which ones?] And Jesus answered, You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,(B)
if we were so good we would not need saved by grace. we would not need Christ. As Christians we cannot deny what the Word of God says.
Romans 3:21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Ephesians 2:7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
these and the other verses together with emphasis on Greek meanings in some of them show there are conditions. It is through Christ, not our own "good" deeds.
Yes everybody is in God's hands, but even Satan is in God's hands. Satan will go to hell. And the Lord Jesus and His disciples taught how we obtain salvation and how we get to heaven. I am not drawing conclusions, it is blatantly right there in those verses.
and the teachers of false doctrines will surely go to hell! Teachers of Buddhism are those teaching false ways to get to the afterlife. Buddhists deny heaven and choose reincarnation.
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
The Lord God has many ways of speaking to people, not just through other people.. Christians cannot base opinions of heaven and hell upon personal feelings or some nonbiblical teachings but must on the Word of God. It is not a Biblical teaching that we can pray for dead people and they will be saved. that teaching does not come from the Bible. If there is a Biblical reference that says without Christ people can still live with the Lord i will read it too. but verses have to be in context containing surrounding verses pertaining.
Matthew 5:
19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 10: 32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
Matthew 7: 13"(C)Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
John 14: 5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
Matthew 18:3: "And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children [paidion], you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 18:4: "Therefore, whoever humbles himself [tapeinoo] like this child [paidion] is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 18:5: ""And whoever welcomes a little child [paidion] like this in my name welcomes me."
Matthew 18:6: "But if anyone causes one of these little ones [mikros] who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." Matthew 19:14: "Jesus said, "Let the little children [paidion] come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.""
The Greek word for "little children" in these verses is paidion, which means "a little child, either male or female" (The Complete Word Study Dictionary of the New Testament, Spiros Zodhiates, p.1089). In verse 4 (above) we are told that whoever "humbles himself" like a child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven, and the Greek word for "humbles" (tapeinoo) means "to bring low, to humble" (The Complete Word Study Dictionary of the New Testament, Spiros Zodhiates, p.1366). These "low, humble" people who believe in Jesus and are like little children are mentioned by the Greek word mikros in verse 6 (above), which means "low, humble" (The Complete Word Study Dictionary of the New Testament, Spiros Zodhiates, p.986). Now, notice in the above passages that Jesus did not say, "unless you change and become like murderers, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." We would not expect Jesus to say such a thing because unrepentant murderers are excluded from heaven (1 John 3:15, Revelation 21:8, 22:14-15). Since Jesus said that we must become like little children in order to enter the kingdom of heaven, the implication is that little children are not excluded from heaven for any reason. This further supports the view that infants and young children are spiritually alive and will go to heaven if they die. Matthew 18:4: "Therefore, whoever humbles himself [tapeinoo] like this child [paidion] is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 18:5: ""And whoever welcomes a little child [paidion] like this in my name welcomes me."
Matthew 18:6: "But if anyone causes one of these little ones [mikros] who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." Matthew 19:14: "Jesus said, "Let the little children [paidion] come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.""
Here are several more interesting passages:
John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, Do you believe in the Son of God?[e]
36 He answered and said, Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?
37 And Jesus said to him, You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.
38 Then he said, Lord, I believe! And he worshiped Him.
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind.
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, We see. Therefore your sin remains. Deuteronomy 1:39: "And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad --they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it."
Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
Isaiah 7:15: "He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right."
Isaiah 7:16: "But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste."
In John 9:41 (above), Jesus said that those who are "blind" are not guilty of sin, and He used the Greek word tuphlos which means "being blind, ignorant, stupid, slow of understanding" (The Complete Word Study Dictionary of the New Testament, Spiros Zodhiates, p.1400, John 9:41). This refers to people who are ignorant of sin rather than those who are physically blind, which means that infants and young children (who are too young to understand about sin) are not guilty of sin. In Deuteronomy 1:39 (above) we see a reference to children who were too young to know good from bad. This demonstrates that young children are ignorant of sin, and Jesus said that those who are ignorant of sin are not guilty of sin (John 9:41, above). In Isaiah 7:14-16 (above) we see once again that there is a period when young children are ignorant of sin, and therefore they are spiritually blind and not guilty of sin (John 9:41, above).
by these verses only those who cannot sin and jesus came to the world so people won't be judged. if Christ is rejected. so will the people. babies cannot reject and are blind. but babies aren't buddhists or anything36 He answered and said, Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?
37 And Jesus said to him, You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.
38 Then he said, Lord, I believe! And he worshiped Him.
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind.
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, We see. Therefore your sin remains. Deuteronomy 1:39: "And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad --they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it."
Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
Isaiah 7:15: "He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right."
Isaiah 7:16: "But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste."
In John 9:41 (above), Jesus said that those who are "blind" are not guilty of sin, and He used the Greek word tuphlos which means "being blind, ignorant, stupid, slow of understanding" (The Complete Word Study Dictionary of the New Testament, Spiros Zodhiates, p.1400, John 9:41). This refers to people who are ignorant of sin rather than those who are physically blind, which means that infants and young children (who are too young to understand about sin) are not guilty of sin. In Deuteronomy 1:39 (above) we see a reference to children who were too young to know good from bad. This demonstrates that young children are ignorant of sin, and Jesus said that those who are ignorant of sin are not guilty of sin (John 9:41, above). In Isaiah 7:14-16 (above) we see once again that there is a period when young children are ignorant of sin, and therefore they are spiritually blind and not guilty of sin (John 9:41, above).
some will ask "don't goodhearted people go to heaven even without Christ if they are good enough?"
actually all those verses do show their is only one way to heaven.
and there is proof nobody is truly good-hearted
Matthew 19:
16And behold, there came a man up to Him, saying, Teacher, what excellent and perfectly and essentially good deed must I do to possess eternal life?(A)
17And He said to him, Why do you ask Me about the perfectly and essentially good? There is only One Who is good [perfectly and essentially]--God. If you would enter into the Life, you must continually keep the commandments.
18He said to Him, What [a]sort of commandments? [Or, which ones?] And Jesus answered, You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,(B)
if we were so good we would not need saved by grace. we would not need Christ. As Christians we cannot deny what the Word of God says.
Romans 3:21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Ephesians 2:7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
these and the other verses together with emphasis on Greek meanings in some of them show there are conditions. It is through Christ, not our own "good" deeds.
Yes everybody is in God's hands, but even Satan is in God's hands. Satan will go to hell. And the Lord Jesus and His disciples taught how we obtain salvation and how we get to heaven. I am not drawing conclusions, it is blatantly right there in those verses.
and the teachers of false doctrines will surely go to hell! Teachers of Buddhism are those teaching false ways to get to the afterlife. Buddhists deny heaven and choose reincarnation.
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
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Buddhists can accept Christ when they are alive and no longer be Buddhists. Then they can go to heaven.
i will give some parables in addition to my verses already
Matthew 24:36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 25:
Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. 6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
Hebrews 9:25Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
2 Corinthians 6: 1As God's fellow workers we urge you not to receive God's grace in vain. 2For he says,
"In the time of my favor I heard you,
and in the day of salvation I helped you."[a] I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation.
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Hebrews 3
Warning Against Unbelief
7So, as the Holy Spirit says:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
8do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the desert,
9where your fathers tested and tried me
and for forty years saw what I did.
10That is why I was angry with that generation,
and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray,
and they have not known my ways.'
11So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' "[a] 12See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.
Warning Against Unbelief
7So, as the Holy Spirit says:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
8do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the desert,
9where your fathers tested and tried me
and for forty years saw what I did.
10That is why I was angry with that generation,
and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray,
and they have not known my ways.'
11So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' "[a] 12See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.
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"So, if we can only get to the Father through the Son, why can't Buddhists, at the time of their judgement, also go to the Father through the Son."
Because Buddhists have decided to try and save themselves through good works, not through faith in Christ. The Bible is clear we are saved by faith, not works. After we die, we are judged. For the Christian the penalty of God's wrath is set aside, because we have called upon the name of Christ to be saved. For everyone else, they're going to Hell.
"Perhaps I am making a mistake in assuming that you are speaking on topic."
The only mistake you're making seems to be that you believe that after you die, you have a choice. Christianity doesn't teach that. LDS theology teaches that.
"Are you saying that Buddhists can't go to Heaven?"
Yep.
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A while back, someone from this forum posted a website where several people from around the world described their experiences of hell. The comonalities in their experiences is astonishing. In each case, Jesus took them to hell and instructed them to report back to the world what they experienced. Jesus told them that even some Christians don't believe hell is a real place.
At first I was skeptical. The idea of a loving God and a god that could condemn anyone to everlasting torment was unreconcilable to me. But as I read these reports, and as I noted that some of these books are best sellers, and yet, published for free in many languages on the internet, I began to wonder. The authors were behaving as if something profound happened to them and that they cared more about sharing their story than maximizing their profits. They all also said something not believed by many Christians. They said that even people who thought they were saved but were disobedient in seemingly minor (to my way of thinking) ways, were in hell. The bar for our salvation is high - much higher than I thought. I prayed and I asked the Holy Spirit to teach me if hell could be real. I became immediately convicted that hell is real, and we must do everything to avoid it.
Here's the website found in other places on this forum: www.spiritlessons.com
Please read a few of these testimonies and then prayfully consider the possibility that this could be true. If it is true, nothing is more important on this planet than saving souls. Our own included.
At first I was skeptical. The idea of a loving God and a god that could condemn anyone to everlasting torment was unreconcilable to me. But as I read these reports, and as I noted that some of these books are best sellers, and yet, published for free in many languages on the internet, I began to wonder. The authors were behaving as if something profound happened to them and that they cared more about sharing their story than maximizing their profits. They all also said something not believed by many Christians. They said that even people who thought they were saved but were disobedient in seemingly minor (to my way of thinking) ways, were in hell. The bar for our salvation is high - much higher than I thought. I prayed and I asked the Holy Spirit to teach me if hell could be real. I became immediately convicted that hell is real, and we must do everything to avoid it.
Here's the website found in other places on this forum: www.spiritlessons.com
Please read a few of these testimonies and then prayfully consider the possibility that this could be true. If it is true, nothing is more important on this planet than saving souls. Our own included.
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greetings in the name of Jesus:
I will say first that I forgive the budists: and that I say they are not doomed to hell!
I also say that since Jesus is the only way to God and salvation, that I should inform them they are in peril of damnation and loss of life eternal.
I Know God can by Grace, can save any one; and all things are possible by God: I see not why he would. But he could. And its not my place to tell God, what he can and cannot do on his authority which is not mine.
I have his words, and his words which are also God;which tells us the Budist is outside Gods road to salvation; and all who follow are in peril. And that's the extent I will go; as should all who wish God not to Judge them. Judge Budists in their fruits and works, Judge not the salvation of individuals as to salvation; which is for God alone to do.
And as we, Judge not Budists: so God shall not Judge us.
Many will probably disagree with " My opinion of word". And I ask they be not offended or in distress. For God loves even the Budists. As he loves each man as if there were no other.
God bless Christian Forum and all who use it.
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I will say first that I forgive the budists: and that I say they are not doomed to hell!
I also say that since Jesus is the only way to God and salvation, that I should inform them they are in peril of damnation and loss of life eternal.
I Know God can by Grace, can save any one; and all things are possible by God: I see not why he would. But he could. And its not my place to tell God, what he can and cannot do on his authority which is not mine.
I have his words, and his words which are also God;which tells us the Budist is outside Gods road to salvation; and all who follow are in peril. And that's the extent I will go; as should all who wish God not to Judge them. Judge Budists in their fruits and works, Judge not the salvation of individuals as to salvation; which is for God alone to do.
And as we, Judge not Budists: so God shall not Judge us.
Many will probably disagree with " My opinion of word". And I ask they be not offended or in distress. For God loves even the Budists. As he loves each man as if there were no other.
God bless Christian Forum and all who use it.
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So all this, Romans 2:5-11 is what? Wrong?
Romans 2:5-10
5But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God "will give to each person according to what he has done."[a] 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
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I m also questioning about " Romans 2:5-10"
Buddhism is the foundation of many asian countries'culture, they were grown up in those culture, thinkingstyle and everything with those marks,but many of them r really v nice loving people.They just have no chance to really understand gospel.
There is a difference from others who really deny and betray our God and go to worship other gods.
Buddhism is the foundation of many asian countries'culture, they were grown up in those culture, thinkingstyle and everything with those marks,but many of them r really v nice loving people.They just have no chance to really understand gospel.
There is a difference from others who really deny and betray our God and go to worship other gods.
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Jesus made it quite clear. He said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, and no person comes to the Father, except by Me." Jesus was quite clear on what He believed was the only way to the Living Father. The Living Father is the only God who is actually alive. All other gods are either bits of wood or metal or in people's imagination. The Living Father is the only God who is a real person.
When Jesus was on earth He told the Jews, "He who has seen Me, has seen the Father." This means that He came to earth to reveal the Living Father to the Jews. He said, "I and and Father are one." This meant that Jesus and the Father were so much in unity, that anyone who got to know the human Jesus while He was on earth, actually got the know the Living Father as well, because both have the same attributes.
Now, the question arises: Do Buddhists recognise the Jesus Christ is Lord of all, and the only way to the Living Father? If so, then they can expect to get to Heaven. If not, they can never come to or have any fellowship with the Living Father, because they do not come by Jesus Christ the Risen Lord.
Therefore, the question basically answers itself. It is clear that the Bible teaches that Buddhists can expect to spend an eternity permanently separated from the Living Father and every good thing that has ever been created by Him for the well-being and enjoyment of mankind.
When Jesus was on earth He told the Jews, "He who has seen Me, has seen the Father." This means that He came to earth to reveal the Living Father to the Jews. He said, "I and and Father are one." This meant that Jesus and the Father were so much in unity, that anyone who got to know the human Jesus while He was on earth, actually got the know the Living Father as well, because both have the same attributes.
Now, the question arises: Do Buddhists recognise the Jesus Christ is Lord of all, and the only way to the Living Father? If so, then they can expect to get to Heaven. If not, they can never come to or have any fellowship with the Living Father, because they do not come by Jesus Christ the Risen Lord.
Therefore, the question basically answers itself. It is clear that the Bible teaches that Buddhists can expect to spend an eternity permanently separated from the Living Father and every good thing that has ever been created by Him for the well-being and enjoyment of mankind.
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"5But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God "will give to each person according to what he has done."[a] 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile."
Jesus made it very clear how people come to the Father. Why are you trying to find scriptures that prove Jesus wrong?
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6God "will give to each person according to what he has done."
God will give to each person according to what they have done, and what does Romans 6:23 say? "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Remember Romans 3:23?
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Everyone has sinned, including the Buddhists. It's really simple, those who have not called upon the name of Christ to be saved, will perish. Jesus said in Luke 13:1-5 'repent or you too shall likewise perish.' I don't know why you can't take Jesus at His word. Rather than trying to use the Bible to discredit Jesus, I would take that Bible and hit the streets if I were you, and witness to the lost Buddhists and everyone else you see, who thinks he or she can save themselves.
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I am really not surprised many people are ignoring the Biblical references I posted and mostly posting according to personal feeling.
I am not surprised people are not regarding the rest of Romans 2 prior to the mention of Gentiles being judged by their law.
5But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God "will give to each person according to what he has done."[a] 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11For God does not show favoritism.
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
And yes, one must consider Romans 3 and 6. Not ignore the rest of the Bible and say this means everybody will be in heaven with the Lord. One must look that in so many words it says everybody will be judged according to their sin. There are no people without sin except for babies.
Then we also must consider that Paul was told to go to preach to Gentiles and so are we. but Paul converted a Gentile to Jesus. Cornelius had some of the teachings of Jesus but did not learn of Jesus the way Jews did. The Gentiles did not have all the Jewish teachings, but in the Bible did begin to learn about Christ. A Gentile is not a non-Christian. A Gentile is a non-Jew.. All Christians are Gentiles unless they are raised in Jewish tradition. I myself have Jewish blood. But that is irrellavent except for the fact that I am not raised under Jewish tradition.
It says all will be judged so clearly all will go somewhere for judgment. It does not say anything about nonbelievers going to spend eternity with the Lord. It is Biblical all will be judged, but it is also Biblical that all who are separated from Christ will not see the eternity in Heaven. Therefore only Jews and Gentiles who accept Christ will be forgiven. Romans clearly states that all who sin will be judged accordingly. We all know the grace only comes through grace which is given by Christ's sacrifice and our chance to accept Christ now. Yes the Lord reveals Himself to others on earth other ways, but the fact is, if people refuse the conviction of the Holy Spirit and do not accept Christ, it is judgment, then hell, because all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
see Romans 3:23
I am not surprised people are not regarding the rest of Romans 2 prior to the mention of Gentiles being judged by their law.
5But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God "will give to each person according to what he has done."[a] 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11For God does not show favoritism.
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
And yes, one must consider Romans 3 and 6. Not ignore the rest of the Bible and say this means everybody will be in heaven with the Lord. One must look that in so many words it says everybody will be judged according to their sin. There are no people without sin except for babies.
Then we also must consider that Paul was told to go to preach to Gentiles and so are we. but Paul converted a Gentile to Jesus. Cornelius had some of the teachings of Jesus but did not learn of Jesus the way Jews did. The Gentiles did not have all the Jewish teachings, but in the Bible did begin to learn about Christ. A Gentile is not a non-Christian. A Gentile is a non-Jew.. All Christians are Gentiles unless they are raised in Jewish tradition. I myself have Jewish blood. But that is irrellavent except for the fact that I am not raised under Jewish tradition.
It says all will be judged so clearly all will go somewhere for judgment. It does not say anything about nonbelievers going to spend eternity with the Lord. It is Biblical all will be judged, but it is also Biblical that all who are separated from Christ will not see the eternity in Heaven. Therefore only Jews and Gentiles who accept Christ will be forgiven. Romans clearly states that all who sin will be judged accordingly. We all know the grace only comes through grace which is given by Christ's sacrifice and our chance to accept Christ now. Yes the Lord reveals Himself to others on earth other ways, but the fact is, if people refuse the conviction of the Holy Spirit and do not accept Christ, it is judgment, then hell, because all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
see Romans 3:23
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It amazes me that, when all I have done is quote a scripture, that you accuse me of "Trying to use the Bible to discredit Jesus."
I take that back..I did also ask a question as to whether or not you thought the scripture was wrong...
Is that the part of my post that you are refering to?
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"It amazes me that, when all I have done is quote a scripture, that you accuse me of "Trying to use the Bible to discredit Jesus.""
Dean, you threw out those verses in Romans to counter the verses I had already presented in John, as a way of saying "see what it says here? What about these verses?" It's not hard to see what you're doing. Here it is again:
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"So, if we can only get to the Father through the Son, why can't Buddhists, at the time of their judgement, also go to the Father through the Son."
Because Buddhists have decided to try and save themselves through good works, not through faith in Christ. The Bible is clear we are saved by faith, not works. After we die, we are judged. For the Christian the penalty of God's wrath is set aside, because we have called upon the name of Christ to be saved. For everyone else, they're going to Hell.
"Perhaps I am making a mistake in assuming that you are speaking on topic."
The only mistake you're making seems to be that you believe that after you die, you have a choice. Christianity doesn't teach that. LDS theology teaches that.
"Are you saying that Buddhists can't go to Heaven?"
Yep.
So all this, Romans 2:5-11 is what? Wrong?
Romans 2:5-10
5But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God "will give to each person according to what he has done."[a] 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
"I take that back..I did also ask a question as to whether or not you thought the scripture was wrong..."
They're not wrong but you have to keep the verses in context. Go back to the beginning of the chapter, Paul is writing to a specific group of people and warning them about their behavior, he is addressing hypocrites.
There's really no debate here as this is an open and shut case. Jesus told us how we come to the Father, through Him and only through Him. Buddhists do not call upon Jesus to be saved, but rather work their way to Nirvana. Therefore, they will not be in Heaven.
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Amisk
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The answer to your question lies within the Bible itself.
In Acts 4:12 we read "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" 1 Timothy 2:5
Christianity is a one God, one Saviour from sin, one way into Heaven. Jesus Himself taught that way and we either accept the full teaching of Jesus Christ and the Bible or we have no salvation.
There are a lot of good sayings in some of these other religions but Christianity alone offers us a way of life by which to die by.
In Acts 4:12 we read "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" 1 Timothy 2:5
Christianity is a one God, one Saviour from sin, one way into Heaven. Jesus Himself taught that way and we either accept the full teaching of Jesus Christ and the Bible or we have no salvation.
There are a lot of good sayings in some of these other religions but Christianity alone offers us a way of life by which to die by.
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this is a question that has harmed the faith of a lot of christians so i am happy to see this discussion.
my answer for this question would be it depends. mostly i doubt that there are that many who have not heard the gospel around the world. you have to know that christianity didn't go from west (america/europe) to east. it started in the miidle. in the middle east, in northeast africa etc.
my country, ethiopia, was the second oldest christian nation in the world. the arabs, for many centuries, used to call us "habesha" and see us as a hinderance to spread islam to the rest of africa. so even the arabs and asians living to the southern most areas away from jerusalem knew about the gospel for centuries. so it is highly unlikely that people have never heard of the gospel in one form or another.
also God has his ways to judge and see the life of people who lived in isolated areas where the gospel might not have reached. in ethiopian language, our bible says God looks at our "helina" to see if we had humanity and love of a divine one being in our hearts. i don't know the strict translation of the word "helina" but i think you get the idea.
anyway, in general, i think it is the depth of the gospel that differs from place to place, not the whole existance of it in isolated areas and isolated faiths like buddism etc.
so even though this thread question is an important question, i really believe it is an over-rated question and over-rated concern. i have heard many christians argue over this question and some christians even question God by saying "how can you lord judge poor people living in remote areas who have never heard the gospel?" how!! how!! LOL
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We don't know, only god does.
They probably ask the same question about Christians, they have their own faith, and we have our own.
We can''t ever truly know
They probably ask the same question about Christians, they have their own faith, and we have our own.
We can''t ever truly know
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well, just to add my input: my former wife is from SE Asia, raised budhist, believed in buddhism, prayed to buddha, our oldest son was dedicated to buddha when he was a baby at the Wat (temple) in North Hollywood, CA. she beleived then that her religion was right for her. I wasnt a buddhist, didnt care one way or the other but it was what she believed and I respected it then.
To make a long story short - she convertd to christianity in the late 90s. we had split up and when I was back in the area (gone a lot - Army), I talked with her about her change in beliefs.
She said that she just knew her need for something more than what buddhism gave was what got her looking for her Truth.
Is a budhist going to hell? what does the word say about salvation and who will enter in?
One post a few back quoted the verse about how Jesus said that He is the Way, the Truth, and the LIfe and no man come unto the Father but by Me. The word also sais, there is no other name given under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.
Buddhism does not invoke Jesus nor consider Him to be God and Savior.
just my thoughts on it.
To make a long story short - she convertd to christianity in the late 90s. we had split up and when I was back in the area (gone a lot - Army), I talked with her about her change in beliefs.
She said that she just knew her need for something more than what buddhism gave was what got her looking for her Truth.
Is a budhist going to hell? what does the word say about salvation and who will enter in?
One post a few back quoted the verse about how Jesus said that He is the Way, the Truth, and the LIfe and no man come unto the Father but by Me. The word also sais, there is no other name given under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.
Buddhism does not invoke Jesus nor consider Him to be God and Savior.
just my thoughts on it.
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