Wiki Poll: Opening Statement

[Iosias]

I think this would exclude Eastern Orthodox, who are, I believe QUITE conservative in general...... maybe more conservative than Roman Catholics and Fundamentalist Baptists....

You think.....let's be sure eh?

 

[Albion]

So, AV, you wouldn't consider our EO brothers and sisters to be conservative??!!

I personally think that yours is a fair comment you make.

I also think AC1611 handled it all right in his response to you.

BUT it appears to me that his lengthy statement was an explanation and an illustration. We can fiddle with it, possibly reword it, but that's why it is here.

However, AV's proposed Wiki language and the poll that goes with it is, I believe, more what matters. With it, he does not oversimplify or overdefine. It is language that seeks a compromise and keeping alive the bare minimum of a statement that would make this a conservative forum.

Unfortunately, we have these ideas spread all over different threads at the moment, but when we are looking at the "big picture" I think we have to keep these two position statments, or whatever they are, separate.

 

[Jim47]

What do you want for an opening statement on the Wiki?


1. Original Version by Talitha:

As conservative Christians we believe that the Truth exists completely outside of our understanding of it, and that God, from Whom procedes all Truth, has chosen to reveal Truth to mankind in His Word, aka the Bible, and to embody it first in His only begotten Son, Jesus, and then progressively in the Church, which is comprised of all who call upon the Name of the Lord Jesus, submitting their lives to Him.​

2. Version Two by Simon_Templar:

Conservative Christianity is defined by its allegiance to the Holy Scriptures and the traditional beliefs and teachings of the Christian Church on issues of theology and morality. Central to this worldview is the belief that Truth exists objectively and independently of our perception. Truth is unchanging and absolute. ​

God is Truth. He has revealed His Truth in the person of His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, in the Holy Bible, His written word, and in the Holy Church, which includes all who call upon the Name of the Lord Jesus, submitting their lives to Him in faith.​

3. Version two with the following phrase omitted:

and the traditional beliefs and teachings of the Christian Church​

4. A complete rewrite by someone other than Tal or Simon

Please vote and post your comments about the inclusion of a "tradition" clause on the Wiki.

If a majority of people choose Simon's version, I will most likely bow out of the debate and limit my opinion-giving on this forum to things that go along with a traditionalist viewpoint.

blessings
tal

I hope you folks will forgive me but I have a lot of catching up to do. This forum has grwon by leaps and bounds I can't begin to read everything as I am over seeing 5 forums now besides my real life

May I ask a question or two?

Is this our current wiki

http://www.christianforums.com/t5716860-wiki-conservative-christians-forum.html
and are we still making changes I assume which would be the reason for this pole?

Also, I would like to say that having a big long list of complicated rules will not help in keeping this forum for conservatives. It will only complicate it and make it harder to enforce which I don't think is anyones intention.

A simple rule such as all those participating in this forum must accept the Nicene creed and accept God's word as written with reguards to salvation, morality and what other things are important would be much better.

The fact that the USA has millions of laws on the books and we can't enforce them would be ample proof of my theory but I'm an old man and I like things uncomplicated.

 

[Albion]

Yes, we're still considering improvements.

IMO, the Nicene Creed alone doesn't come close to defining "Concervative Christianity." Many who attest to the truths about the Trinity, etc. contained within it neverthess support the gay agenda, abortion on demand, confiscatory taxation, socialized medicine, sex education for kindergartners, a world government, and so on. And they have their favorite Bible verses, interpreted to their liking of course, to point to as evidence of their liberal views being what Christians should support.

 

[Debi1967]

So, you can decide for me. Since their argument makes reference to the Bible, is same-sex marriage a pro-conservative issue?

I know we are here to also make this place a safe haven for ourselves but........ aren't we here to also educate those that are in need of good Godly education and yes I can combat homosexuality with scripture .....

 

[Lisa0315]

I know we are here to also make this place a safe haven for ourselves but........ aren't we here to also educate those that are in need of good Godly education and yes I can combat homosexuality with scripture .....

Of course! However, that doesn't mean that we want to give those we are trying to educate voting power either.

Lisa

 

[Debi1967]

For the most part the EO are far more conservative than the Catholic on this boards yes but that does not mean that there aren't exceptions.

 

[Debi1967]

Well no I am not saying that either

 

[Hishandmaiden]

So, how is the progress for the statement?

 

[Voegelin]

Yep, saw it with my own eyes. It might be a good idea for everyone to post after they vote. There is definitely a bug. We need to know if it happens again.

Lisa

Voted for #2.

Tradition is important. It provides continuity. It gives the dead a say. A Lutheran can make a point from scripture and reenforce it with the writings of Luther. A Catholic can do the same with St. Augustine. Protestant divines and the Doctors of the Church relied on scripture. Why not rely on them? They've stood the test of time. Using their understandings and teachings of scripture as well as ours does not fragment, it unifies. It is not one individual making a statement based upon scripture, it is a stream of individuals going back to the begining who have said the same or similiar things. When tradition is include,the possibility of new idiosyncratic and divisive interpretations is lessened.

 

[Sothron]

I sincerely hope people are at least considering the EO membership on this site and specifically on this board.

Can we not agree that the Nicene Creed/Trinitarian View of God is the bare minimum? Could we not just add "and a traditional, conservative view on matters of faith" to that to make it apply to this board?

Frankly I feel a simplistic statement will make it easier to define this board otherwise every single issue we have had come up must be voted and accounted for.