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[Mylinkay Asdara]

That is simply hogwash.

 

[Havoc]

And to whom are you directing your worship? There is but one God, if you are not directing worship to Him, then unfortunately you are directing it towards His adversary.

So you say...

I do have evidence of the existance of Satan. He is mentioned and referred to throughout the Bible. From Genesis to Revelation.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

Perhaps you missed the part where I said "substantive evidence". If you want to use the Bible as evidence of Satan you must first prove the Bible. You can't do that (unless you claim to be able to do what no one in the 1640 year history of apologetics has been able to do). So therefore the Bible is nothing more than anecdotal evidence, which certainly isn't evidence that any wise person would use as proof of anything.

 

[Isaiah 53]

So you say...


Perhaps you missed the part where I said "substantive evidence". If you want to use the Bible as evidence of Satan you must first prove the Bible. You can't do that (unless you claim to be able to do what no one in the 1640 year history of apologetics has been able to do). So therefore the Bible is nothing more than anecdotal evidence, which certainly isn't evidence that any wise person would use as proof of anything

To quote you..'So you say'. I do not have the evidence you are asking for right before me. But if you were to be more specific, I will find it and answere your questions. To say that a Christian cannot answer Wicca using the Bible as evidence makes this discussion rather moot don't you agree? And I suppose you wouldn't accept personnel testimony as evidence either would you?

So basically your saying, "Your wrong, because I refuse to accept what you believe as truth". Although it is not merely my opinion but the opinion of millions and the Truth of God.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

 

[Havoc]

Nooooooo....

I'm not saying "you're wrong".

I'm saying "I have no reason to trade my beliefs for yours simply because you make a claim you cannot support."

Just because millions believe it (even though they don't all believe the same) does not make it truth. Millions of others don't believe it, the majority in fact. That is known as "Fallacy of Popular Opinion".

Whether or not it is the "truth of God" is a question that still hasn't been answered in any verifiable way. You believe you have the truth of God. I believe you do not. The difference between us is that I understand what is belief as opposed to what is proven.

 

[grizzlybite]

To be quite honest with you, I'm new, and perhaps this has been addressed several times. But if in fact, Wiccans, Witches, Atheists, and Satanists all believe Christianity is false, then why spend the time to come to a Christian website and post your beliefs?
For instance, I realize my life as a sinner and a follower of Christ who died because of my sins. However, I do not spend my time in pagan, witch, or wiccan websites trying to validate that Christianity is the way for them.
Personally, and I may be wrong, but perhaps you come here in search of the truth and spend hourless time arguing and debating religions because you feel there is a tug at your heart telling you there is something wrong in your life. I of course am not accusing....in my own habit of sin, I could never judge. It's just a simple observation.
If it is the case, I ask that you take the time to explore Christianity with your heart....and quit using your head quite so much.

You ask often to "Prove" there is a God. I ask you to "Prove" there is not. Christians cannot prove christianity because Christ lives within us...until that moment, you are seeing through eyes of the world. And I am very sad, because even though the eyes of Christ are hard to obey...it is everything that is beautiful.

Good day...

Grizz

 

[Havoc]

Because Christians have a tendancy to believe the lies and false witness told by other Christians about other religions.

Therefore it behooves us to set the record straight about what we actually do believe and practice. Sorry to burst you bubble about the "heartstrings tug" thingy.

And the "well you prove there is no God" thing? It's been done to death. Look over some of the other threads and you will come across the reason, which is basically that he who makes the claim is responsible for the proof. Christians make the claim that their version of Gods is the absolute truth. They are responsible for proving that most extraordinary of claims. We make no such claim and so need not prove anything.

 

[Isaiah 53]

In truth we need not prove anything either. It will all be proven in the end. For we will all have to answer for our actions before Almighty God!!

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

 

[revolutio]

In truth we need not prove anything either. It will all be proven in the end. For we will all have to answer for our actions before Almighty God!!

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

There is also peace in Allah, Buddha, Rama, and most other Gods. Peace is the usual result of a population in which there is no diversity of thought.

 

[Arikay]

Unless of course, you are wrong. But that could never happen, I mean, when has christianity ever been wrong?

In truth we need not prove anything either. It will all be proven in the end. For we will all have to answer for our actions before Almighty God!!

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

 

[Isaiah 53]

Unless of course, you are wrong. But that could never happen, I mean, when has christianity ever been wrong?

Ah, but what if I am right?

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

 

[Arikay]

Then you would have gotten lucky.

Do you feel lucky?

 

[true]

Wiccans, Witches, or Pagans do not worship the devil. How can you worship something you don't believe in? That's like Christians worshipping the Goddess. These things would have to work both ways.

Wiccans believe in one thing, Christians believe in another. Why can't we just leave it at that, instead of trying to prove each other wrong all the time? Why can't you guys just agree to disagree?

 

[Isaiah 53]

Then you would have gotten lucky.

Do you feel lucky?

I don't consider it lucky. In fact I don't believe in luck!! I was not brought up in a Christian home, I didn't become a Christian when I was a child. I spent 24 years of my life without Christ. Much of it studying and searching. I researched and practiced other religions. I am not blindly making a statment. I am speaking from experience!! There is only one answer and one God and one way to God and that my friend is Jesus Christ.

I am not trying to attack or condemn you for your beliefs. But I will continue to attack the beliefs for they are deceiving and costing many their eternal lives.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

 

[Arikay]

In your opinion only though.

I don't consider it lucky. In fact I don't believe in luck!! I was not brought up in a Christian home, I didn't become a Christian when I was a child. I spent 24 years of my life without Christ. Much of it studying and searching. I researched and practiced other religions. I am not blindly making a statment. I am speaking from experience!! There is only one answer and one God and one way to God and that my friend is Jesus Christ.

I am not trying to attack or condemn you for your beliefs. But I will continue to attack the beliefs for they are deceiving and costing many their eternal lives.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

For many years, I was a practicing pagan. It started with my indigenous native american beliefs and dabbled into Wicca and some other practices. I spent a lot of time around Wiccans and I think that the basis of their religion is a very beautiful one.
But, having been a practicing pagan, I can pretty much bridge the gap between the two religions. Christians can not prove their is a God anymore than pagans can prove their is a Goddess. That whole arguement is stupid. Precisely when the focal point of the Christian Religion is having the faith that God exists.
In my years of going to pagan websites, I met some of the most wonderful, beautiful and kind people I ever met in my life. I can honestly say it was pleasure to have known then. But of the hundreds I knew, I can honestly say I never met two who believed exactly the same thing. Which was fine. It comes back to faith.. believe what you want to believe......
People can be swayed. I was a steadfast pagan who came to Christ only a few weeks ago. I have several personal experiences that led to me making this choice. The relevance of this is I can see both sides here, and the belief systems so different that the arguement really is not going to go anywhere.
I don't know who the Wiccan Goddess is or if she exists. I guess the important thing is that she exists to those who want to believe in her. Which is great. But the same is true on the other end, we don't need proof that Christ exists. He exists because we have a relationship and can feel him there.
Wicca and paganism works for people and I am happy for them if does. But Christ called me back and I am glad he did. The feeling has been much more satisfying for me (I am in no way saying it will be for everyone... I am trying to respect everyon's religion). But, to tie into the original posts, all pagans and wiccans do NOT respect Christianity. In fact, almost everyone I ever met made fun of christians and their religion. And that is in NO way saying they all do it, but on the opposite end not all Christians are doing that to the pagans.

and a side note: Buddha was not a god..Perhaps Buddha said it best. When asked if he was God, he replied, "No." He was asked if he was a man and said ,"No." He was then asked, "Then what are you?" to which he responded, "Awake!"

 

[Havoc]

WEll said to most of it Jacob.

Although it must be said that as much as we poke fun at Christians we also poke fun at ourselves. Therein lies one rather critical difference.

 

[Havoc]

I am not trying to attack or condemn you for your beliefs. But I will continue to attack the beliefs for they are deceiving and costing many their eternal lives.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

Interesting...

You cannot provide one shred of substantive evidence that your beliefs are more valid than mine but you have the gall to claim we are costing people "their eternal lives" and justify your attacks on our beliefs thereby. It makes me wonder what else you could justify based on that particular belief...

Somehow I doubt you would be as kind to someone who attacked your beliefs based on their claim that you were costing people their "eternal lives".

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

WEll said to most of it Jacob.

Although it must be said that as much as we poke fun at Christians we also poke fun at ourselves. Therein lies one rather critical difference.

To a degree, I might agree with this. But I have known many other pagans who have outright hated Christianity and they did not poke fun at themselves. The problem is though that we shouldn't stereotype. Yes, there are tons of pagans who dislike Christians and their are tons of Christians who dislike pagans, but fortunately, underneath it all, Our Golden Rule is very similiar to the Wiccan Rede. Hopefully more people will realize that and know that the most important thing here is love and not harming anyone. Treating people the way we want to be treated.
Prayers and Love
Jacob

 

[Volos]

Originally posted by : Isaiah 53

To quote you..'So you say'. I do not have the evidence you are asking for right before me. But if you were to be more specific, I will find it and answere your questions. To say that a Christian cannot answer Wicca using the Bible as evidence makes this discussion rather moot don't you agree? And I suppose you wouldn't accept personnel testimony as evidence either would you?

No one is saying that you can’t use your bible to argue with a Wiccan or a Pagan. It would however be a waste of your time and energy. It would be akin to you listening to someone “prove” Christianity was a false religion by reading you passages from the Koran. They would prove nothing to you because you do not believe that the Koran is true. Vigorously repeating that you know the bible is true does nothing to convince those who do not share your particular beliefs of the bible’s validity.



If you are wishing to pose personal testimony as evidence of your religion then you must be accepting of the personal testimony of other religions. To deny or denounce the personal testimony of Wiccan’s or any other non-Christian religion as deception is to invite the same judgment back on the testimony of Christians.

So basically your saying, "Your wrong, because I refuse to accept what you believe as truth". Although it is not merely my opinion but the opinion of millions and the Truth of God.

You seem to be the one saying this not the Wiccans. Wiccans generally believe in religious Plurality, (all religious paths lead to the Divine and all are true for those who follow them) so it is unlikely that you would hear a Wiccan declaring themselves as the arbitrator of religious truth. .

 

[Isaiah 53]

I cannot help but feel that Pagans and Wiccans look at the world around them, see the work of God, but then stop short of going further and looking for the Creator, and instead look to the creation itself. This is somewhat like commending a sculpture rather than the one who sculptured it. The Bible also comments on this by stating the following:

"...they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator...(Romans 1:25)

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!
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