Why???

I am astonished. The Bible is very pro-military and pro-captial punishment. I have found that people who damn soldiers like your husband tend to be liberals. Many liberals don't let the Bible be their guide to faith and practice (based upon their comments to me in the Liberal Theology forum). Instead they let their emotions guide them and only use proof texts from the Bible -- mainly Jesus' words out of context. My personal belief is that their emotions are just plain wrong!

Many liberals have never had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That fact explains why many liberals cannot correctly interpret the Bible. So don't pay them any attention. The people who damned your brave husband don't speak for God. Read your Bible instead.

The CF rules forbid us from saying that certain so-called Christian churches are false churches and not really Christian at all, so I will not speak openly about that subject here. Instead I suggest you give the unkind posters a response worthy of their ignorance of God's Word... namely forget them. They have demonstrated they haven't a clue what the Bible says.

The New Testament's only advice to soldiers is to not steal, and further the NT says that gov't bears the sword to be a terror to evil, not to good. We are never told not to fight in war. Anyone want to discuss that?

And another matter... Since when do mosts liberals believe in hell? I find the irony humorous. They make a vain attempt to threaten your husband with a hell that many liberals disbelieve. Just stick to God's Word and forget the critics. The Old Testament has very sound advice concerning false prophets. It is a command from God. It is "Thou shalt not fear them."

Oh and there is another Old Testament command concerning false prophets. God's Word says don't listen to them. If you hear them on TV or radio, change channels. If someone sends you a false prophet's book, trash it!
Lastly if they clog your personal mail with hate speech, you can block them and you can also block their posts so you will not even read them! Blessings upon you. Be a good soldier for Jesus Christ (Paul's charge to Timothy).

Katydid, I am convinced that these folks have seriously misinterpreted the passages they quote, while ignoring the ones that refute them. I know exactly where you are coming from. I don't enjoy being called a murderer, albeit in a roundabout fashion.

Also, I would like you to know that I deeply appreciate what your husband and the other members of your family that have served, and you too, have done on behalf of our country.

Try not to let those few get to you too much.

Wow Sharp, even here when you are trying to help someone else you have to bring out your own axe to grind? Any way sis I'm sorry you were treated so shabbily, if you do come up against this in the future remember this motto (with apologies to "Finding Nemo"): Moderators are friends not food! if you find someone being stupid turn them in, they will be dealt with.
tulc(your husband and you are both to be commended! thank you!)

Katydid said:

I would like to know why I can't escape people on this forum who are intent on telling me that my husband is condemned to hell...............

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Katy take into account that this Forum draws a huge number of trolls from places like Internet Infidels (fanatical atheists very often EU types with a chip on their shoulder against Americans) and DU (democrat undergound- a place which is hopefully on John Ashcroft's watch list) who are here purely to bait/harass Christians. Good men such as your husband have accepted the obligation that defending the good/decent in America also as part of the package deal gives people such as these the freedom to sprew their venom in the light of day.

Katy, to heck with' em People who condemn soldiers to hell just for being soldiers....well, to put it kindly they are too narrow minded to understand what they are preaching. Christ had no problem praising the faith of the centurion who asked Him to heal his servant. Yes, even soldiers are capable of having faith and being worthy of Christ. Those who condemn unfairly, as those who condemn soldiers just for being soldiers do, are in more danger of hell than those they condemn.

Probably liberals are telling you this. Look in the Bible, there were plenty of wars, I'm not sure God condoned all of the, but I do know that those who fought in wars were not condemned to hell. Your husband will only go to hell if he does not accept Christ as his savior.

Our soliders need our support, not dispproval and disrespect. For all those who do disrespect them and think it's their fault for this war, I say you go over and fight yourself and see how it feels. They are basically serving in a prison for many who dislike them and are against the war.

Probably liberals are telling you this.

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Uhmm when did this become a liberals are bad thread? (tulc looks around) all I see are people trying to be supportive of a sister and her husband.
tulc(let's not assume, rude is rude, it has nothing to do with politics)

Katydid said:

I would like to know why I can't escape people on this forum who are intent on telling me that my husband is condemned to hell. So many people despise him simply because he is a soldier. They say that it is unbiblical, that it is evil, that he will pay on judgment day. WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THIS????? It used to be that people respected a military man. Not in my day and not in my father's. But, my grandfather had people who respected him BECAUSE he served in WW2. What has happened that now, I come onto a Christian website and in a Christian section, I am told that my husband is condemned to hell. Please someone tell me that I am not the only one noticing this.

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Katydid, let not your heart be troubled.

II TIMOTHY 2:3
3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
II TIMOTHY 2:4
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.


EPHESIANS 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
EPHESIANS 6:13
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Sharp said:

I am astonished. The Bible is very pro-military and pro-captial punishment. I have found that people who damn soldiers like your husband tend to be liberals. Many liberals don't let the Bible be their guide to faith and practice (based upon their comments to me in the Liberal Theology forum). Instead they let their emotions guide them and only use proof texts from the Bible -- mainly Jesus' words out of context. My personal belief is that their emotions are just plain wrong!

Many liberals have never had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That fact explains why many liberals cannot correctly interpret the Bible. So don't pay them any attention. The people who damned your brave husband don't speak for God. Read your Bible instead.

The CF rules forbid us from saying that certain so-called Christian churches are false churches and not really Christian at all, so I will not speak openly about that subject here. Instead I suggest you give the unkind posters a response worthy of their ignorance of God's Word... namely forget them. They have demonstrated they haven't a clue what the Bible says.

The New Testament's only advice to soldiers is to not steal, and further the NT says that gov't bears the sword to be a terror to evil, not to good. We are never told not to fight in war. Anyone want to discuss that?

And another matter... Since when do mosts liberals believe in hell? I find the irony humorous. They make a vain attempt to threaten your husband with a hell that many liberals disbelieve. Just stick to God's Word and forget the critics. The Old Testament has very sound advice concerning false prophets. It is a command from God. It is "Thou shalt not fear them."

Oh and there is another Old Testament command concerning false prophets. God's Word says don't listen to them. If you hear them on TV or radio, change channels. If someone sends you a false prophet's book, trash it!
Lastly if they clog your personal mail with hate speech, you can block them and you can also block their posts so you will not even read them! Blessings upon you. Be a good soldier for Jesus Christ (Paul's charge to Timothy).

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Probably liberals are telling you this. Look in the Bible, there were plenty of wars, I'm not sure God condoned all of the, but I do know that those who fought in wars were not condemned to hell. Your husband will only go to hell if he does not accept Christ as his savior.

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Please stop pointing your fingers at liberals. If someone is criticizing the troops personally, call them unpatriotic and ungrateful. Don't assume they are liberals, it is uneducated and insulting. I consider myself a liberal and my husband is also....and I certainly remember sending him off to Iraq again....just yesterday.

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I would like to know why I can't escape people on this forum who are intent on telling me that my husband is condemned to hell. So many people despise him simply because he is a soldier. They say that it is unbiblical, that it is evil, that he will pay on judgment day. WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THIS????? It used to be that people respected a military man. Not in my day and not in my father's. But, my grandfather had people who respected him BECAUSE he served in WW2. What has happened that now, I come onto a Christian website and in a Christian section, I am told that my husband is condemned to hell. Please someone tell me that I am not the only one noticing this.

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Gunny said:

Katydid, let not your heart be troubled.

II TIMOTHY 2:3
3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
II TIMOTHY 2:4
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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JOHN 14:27
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Mistyfogg said:

Please stop pointing your fingers at liberals. If someone is criticizing the troops personally, call them unpatriotic and ungrateful. Don't assume they are liberals, it is uneducated and insulting. I consider myself a liberal and my husband is also....and I certainly remember sending him off to Iraq again....just yesterday.

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Who else besides liberals would say God would send someone to hell for serving the country in the military? Certainly not conservatives! Certainly not atheists.

As a defense of liberal theology your argument is somewhat lacking both in substance and in style. You should have said, "Liberals do not believe military service is anti-thetical to Christian beliefs.", but you did not. So what are we to conclude from your comments?

You wrote:
"Please stop pointing your fingers at liberals. If someone is criticizing the troops personally, call them unpatriotic and ungrateful."

There is an obvious comment to be made here. BOTH of the above might be true! Militant liberals are the only faith group that I know of that could actually say what these people did. Do you know of any other faith groups that would?

Living4Him03 said:

Probably liberals are telling you this. Look in the Bible, there were plenty of wars, I'm not sure God condoned all of the, but I do know that those who fought in wars were not condemned to hell. Your husband will only go to hell if he does not accept Christ as his savior.

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You are correct. I don't know of any faith that would condemn a person to hell for military service except for liberalism. I personally have heard this from liberals. How sad.

If you are reading this and your church undermines our military by unBiblical false teaching, then your Biblical obligation is to get out of that church. You and your family don't belong there. God has something much better for you.

Liberal chruches started teaching the leftwing social gospel in
the 1930s and have been bleeding members ever since. Bible-believing Christians, who follow the Word of God, have detected something seriously wrong with their chruches, and families quit in droves. The mainline liberal denominations are losing memebers every year while conservative churches are growing. People go where they find the Spirit of Jesus Christ and solid Bible teaching.

Our military is God's agency for peace and order and good in the world. Our honored fighting men should be respected, not undermined, by God's people.

Militant liberals are the only faith group that I know of that could actually say what these people did. Do you know of any other faith groups that would?

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How is it you can't seem to get past your own prejudice even when trying to help someone else? This thread isn't about what you believe about liberals so why try and make it about your axe?
tulc( )

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tulc(let's not assume, rude is rude, it has nothing to do with politics)

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This wasn't political... it was religious and involved those calling themselves Christians right here on this forum.

In the 1920s and ever since the communists have been trying to infiltrate our churches to undermine America. They succeeded in some places. It was especially bad in the Vietnam War. Terrible anti-Christian and anti-American lies were stated then by so-called Christians. When we beat communism, their agents and dupes were still in places of power in some churches, and people kept leaving those churches. The awful comments made to this dear lady about her beloved husband are typical of the rot that these so-called anti-war Christians were saying then, and just as cruel and viscious. They are still at it. I know this for a fact by first hand observation as my own experience and evidence.

Here is my satire on what commies might have been thinking when planning their takeover of our churches.

Recall those wonderful verses about the millenium and world peace? Here are two examples of how conservatives and some (not all) liberals might reply.

Christian thoughts:
These wonderful promises will be fulfilled by Jesus Christ in the millenium,
not now in the church age. Only born-again, Bible-believing Christians will
reign under Christ in that future era.

Commie thoughts:
We don't know if there is a God, but regardless, we can use these verses to
fool some religious people that call themselves Christians, but who don't
know their Bibles. We can make think that disarmament and pacificism are
required for Christians. We can use them to tell families of US military people that their loved ones are going to hell. That is pretty funny since we don't believe in hell, and we don't know if there is a heaven. But that doesn't matter if we can subvert the church and harm democracy and freedom.
(This answer was the Commie trick. It backfired. We beat them. Now there is religious freedom in the old communist "evil empire." Thank God. :crosself: )

Sorry about my comment, I should not have implied all liberals believe you will go to hell for serving in a war. Obviously they don't all believe this or many of them would not be voting for John Kerry! However, I do think most liberals or those way on the left wing are anti-war/believe war is wrong. I've never heard a group that promotes the idea that if you serve in a war you are going to hell, though.