Why?

[Cribstyl]

Romans 10:1-5 ( KJV )

Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and stranger and Love your neighbor as yourself. Isn't what all this boils down too?

Those who apply God's word to understanding can see that "righteousness by the law is of Moses" and "righteousness of faith of Jesus Christ." It seem so clear to say, that those who continue to preach righteousness by the law are rejecting the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[k4c]

Those who apply God's word to understanding can see that "righteousness by the law is of Moses" and "righteousness of faith of Jesus Christ." It seem so clear to say, that those who continue to preach righteousness by the law are rejecting the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

Amen...

 

[Cribstyl]

Amen...

Ok.....I'm nervous..We never agree. There must be a misunderstanding somewhere.

 

[Cribstyl]

The Psalms speak of righteousness, pertaining to the law of God.

"My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments "[are righteousness." (Ps 119:172)

And speaking of John the Baptist's parents, the Bible says, "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless." (Luke 1:6)

First of all Stew,
We agree that under the Old Covenant keeping the whole law was given for righteousness.
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down [from above]

Technically, the truth is, Righteousness is doing what God requires of you. You cannot deny that two forms of righteousness are taught in the scriptures. Righteousness by the law is distinguished from righteousness by faith.
The example, when Jesus asked the rich young ruler to sell everything and give the money to the poor and come and follow Him; This lesson was an opportunity to be righteous by faith. It was made clear that He kept all the commandments.



The baptism of Jesus teaches us that righteousness is whatever God requires of each person, not exclusively what the law requires. The law does not have a commandment to be baptized. (if so post the text)
God sent John to preach to all of Isreal that they need to repent and be baptized.



Jesus prove that God required it of Him by saying;

Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Ok.....I'm nervous..We never agree. There must be a misunderstanding somewhere.

Interjecting for K4C here, but we have never said that our righteousness comes from the Law.

 

[Cribstyl]

Interjecting for K4C here, but we have never said that our righteousness comes from the Law.

If you're always telling Sunday Christians that they have to keep sabbath and the ten commandment, then you are preaching righteousness by the law.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

If you're always telling Sunday Christians that they have to keep sabbath and the ten commandment, then you are preaching righteousness by the law.

No, we are teaching obedience through love...

 

[k4c]

If you're always telling Sunday Christians that they have to keep sabbath and the ten commandment, then you are preaching righteousness by the law.

The Bible says those who are righteous practice righteousness. The first righteousness comes from Jesus the second righteousness comes as a result of the first righteousness.

 

[Cribstyl]

The Bible says those who are righteous practice righteousness. The first righteousness comes from Jesus the second righteousness comes as a result of the first righteousness.

Your commentary is clearly a false doctrine. ( I dont expect any SDA to admit it) The text is talking about righteousness by faith. You deny what was taught by added commentary or pointing to texts with keywords about the law.
You're talking about righteousness by keeping of the law. Scriptures prove you wrong.. Phl 3:9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

The fact is, your definiton of righteousness is keeping the law.


You dont try to understand what is meant by "righteousness by faith" because your theology about the law wont stand.

Paul's argument in chapter of Gal 3:1explains that "the law is not of faith..."Gal 3:12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them

Guys like you and Stryder keep using logical commentary and keywords rather than clear scriptures to peice together your teachings. (May God have mercy on you.) When scripture exposes your contradictions you have to get hostile, ignor, run off or create a loop of the same stuff.
I take the time to taste your cookies, so I know your cooking.

 

[Cribstyl]

No, we are teaching obedience through love...

'Obedience to the law' is not 'obedience to the faith'.

Rom 1:5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

 

[k4c]

'Obedience to the law' is not 'obedience to the faith'.

Rom 1:5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Do you worship other gods?

 

[Cribstyl]

The letter of the Law defines righteousness at it's basic level.

The idea that righteousness is only defined by law is proven false. The first time righteousness is used in the bible, it points to what God required of Abraham. If the dialog in question was about keeping the law, you'd have a point. Gen 15:6And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

It's no secret that God gave Moses the law as a covenant between Himself and the Chldren of Israel. Trying to claim that law was already given contradict Moses saying; Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.



Another error I see being taught is that the law is only the 10 commandments.
Deu 6:25And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

The Bible teaches that God declares one righteous, which leads to a lifestyle of practicing righteousness.

That's a true statement because those who follow His words are righteous.

Those who have been declared righteous by God, through the shed blood of Jesus, will practice righteousness as defined by God.

That's a true statement because "righteouness by faith is what the New Covenant is all about.

Since the Law defines what is righteous it can point out sin so it remains the basic standard for what sin is. Every sin and crime committed in the world today has it's root in God's Law.

That's simply not entirely the truth.

 

[k4c]

The idea that righteousness is only defined by law is proven false. The first time righteousness is used in the bible, it points to what God required of Abraham. If the dialog in question was about keeping the law, you'd have a point. Gen 15:6And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

It's no secret that God gave Moses the law as a covenant between Himself and the Chldren of Israel. Trying to claim that law was already given contradict Moses saying; Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.



Another error I see being taught is that the law is only the 10 commandments.
Deu 6:25And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.


That's a true statement because those who follow His words are righteous.

That's a true statement because "righteouness by faith is what the New Covenant is all about.

That's simply not entirely the truth.

Do you worship other gods?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Do you worship other gods?

I've yet to find any person who is innocent in this area. Similarly, I've never met a sabbatarian. All have sinned. Any man who is guilty in one point is guilty in all.

BFA

 

[k4c]

I've yet to find any person who is innocent in this area. Similarly, I've never met a sabbatarian. All have sinned. Any man who is guilty in one point is guilty in all.

BFA

Crib says he worships only one God. Are you calling Crib a liar?

 

[Cribstyl]

K4c cannot handle the truths in this thread, so he has to act unreasonble.
Questions that twisted God word, was the tactic that Satan used to decieve Eve.



When the questions and answers concerning the Christian faith does not line up with scriptures, watch out.

 

[k4c]

K4c cannot handle the truths in this thread, so he has to act unreasonble.
Questions that twisted God word, was the tactic that Satan used to decieve Eve.

When the questions and answers concerning the Christian faith does not line up with scriptures, watch out.

This may be a satanic question in you opinion but I have to ask it.

Can you tell me why you don't worship other gods?

 

[Cribstyl]

This may be a satanic question in you opinion but I have to ask it.

Can you tell me why you don't worship other gods?

Is that what I said? Why put words in my mouth?... (Typical of a few who claim to represent the SDA church.)

Why should I continue to answer your questions and you wont answer the ones that I pose to you?

 

[k4c]

Is that what I said? Why put words in my mouth?... (Typical of a few who claim to represent the SDA church.)

Why should I continue to answer your questions and you wont answer the ones that I pose to you?

You have been coming here for some time now spreading deception and rejecting truth. You are not willing to receive light even when you can't give a reason for why you believe what you believe but that's typical for those who hold the doctrines that you hold.

You say you worship only one god but you can't give a reason why you worship one god. If you can't give a reason for why you believe something then maybe you need to restudy what you believe or at least admit that you're wrong so God can help you.

I guess we're done here....

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Crib says he worships only one God. Are you calling Crib a liar?

I've yet to meet anyone who has kept the law perfectly. However, I also have not read anything from Crib that suggests that he believes he has. I suspect that you may have read more into his comment than he intended.

BFA