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Just something I've been wondering...why is it that there isn't a big demand for Christian jazz music. Or just jazz in general. What has happened? Has popular music strayed so far from its roots in Jazz/Blues that the jazz crowd is relegated to a few faithful followers? Is it that today's culture is so hooked on intensity and excitement that anything that doesn't involve screaming and loud, distorted guitars is seen as boring/lame?
 

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zmastah said:
Just something I've been wondering...why is it that there isn't a big demand for Christian jazz music. Or just jazz in general. What has happened?

Jazz albums just don't sell like other popular music stuff, plain and simple. The magazine rack is a reflection of this-- how many jazz mags do you see vs. how many rock mags? I'll hazard a guess that a lot of younger kids (teens/tweens) who get into jazz are either a.) in jazz band, b.) have a relative who turned them on to it, or c.) do it to be "different".

Has popular music strayed so far from its roots in Jazz/Blues that the jazz crowd is relegated to a few faithful followers?

It's hard to say, because the influence now can be much less overt. There are groups around that are still integrating jazz, blues, and other artistic forms into their own voices; you just have to look a little harder for them.

Is it that today's culture is so hooked on intensity and excitement that anything that doesn't involve screaming and loud, distorted guitars is seen as boring/lame?

Yes, that seems to be the unfortunate reality. Image is everything, and jazz just doesn't fit. Teens and tweens constitute a huge percentage of the music-buying public, and how do you market Branford Marsalis to the herd of "rebel" sheep down at Hot Topic? You don't hear jazz in video games or movies marketed to that crowd, you don't see it on MTV, etc.. Jazz doesn't fit the packaged-rebellion marketing strategies loved by the music industry, so it gets relegated to the back burner.
 
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I forgot... I don't think there's much "Christian jazz" because there isn't really a need for that kind of differentiation in the genre; if you listened to an instrumental Christian jazz band and an instrumental secular jazz band, how would you tell them apart without reading the liner notes? I'd love to hear some Christian musicians tear it up, but it's not like we're hearing secular jazzers preaching the enemy's line...
 
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Yeah, that seems to be the sad reality of it all. I think swing saw a short boost in popularity with Big Bad Voodoo daddy, and ska has done something for instrumental music, but yeah, for the most part what you say seems to be the case. That is the problem: Image IS everything in music these days. That's why teens go gaga over groups like Britney Spears or Nick Lachey or whoever they like these days. I don't really know anymore. All I know is that it's some prostitute bouncing around in front of a synthetic, soulless drum machine/beat box using cheap lyrics that some fifteen year-old probably wrote on the back of her homework.

And whatever happened to their being interpretation through the music? Oh, that's right...television and movies removed what little imagination we had left. So now, we can't interpret music unless there's words there. Bah...now, I'm ranting. I'll stop.

As for stuff with Monk, Bird, and their ilk...hmm...I really don't know. I've never really considered those guys classical, not to the point that I would guys like W.C. Handy, Glen Miller, or Ellington classical. Most of the jazz these days seems to be in the realm of Smooth Jazz. I think that's part of the problem, too. Jazz itself isn't doing much for its image. I think there needs to be more performers like Bird, Trane, Davis, and Dizzy to bring Jazz back to its wilder, rebellious roots. But unfortunately, for most of the folks out there, listening to music of that complexity might make their heads explode.
 
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Thoughtprovoking question.

For a current jazz man that's in the traditional stream, listen to Roy Hargrove. He's a great trumpeter who's overshadowed by Wynton Marsalis.

Branford Marsalis did an album w/a rapper, probably to see if he could get some cross-over sales, but the album was awful.

As for the original question, I've given that some thought and it's almost a chicken and egg question. Are there fewer jazz radio stations out there because there are fewer listeners or are there fewer listeners because there are the stations out there playing the music? I think it also goes to the way the music's presented. One jazz guitarist referred to an attitude he'd encountered by those who don't like jazz as "egotistical masturbation." And, let's be honest, a lot of the solos we hear are just that - soloing just because they can, to show off their chops w/o adding anything to the songs.

Maybe it's because the music is considered the music of old people, like a history lesson. That was one attraction to jazz for me, though. I can't speak for anyone else, but I got into jazz because of the rockers I listened to when I was starting to play guitar. I found out Page, Beck, and Clapton listened to B.B. King and Muddy Waters, and got some of their music and then found out that B.B. and Muddy were influenced by Charlie Christian. And so it went. I've never looked back.

It's sad and frustrating that many today consider Kenny G and others of that ilk as representative of jazz and that, in itself, is part of the problem too.
 
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zmastah said:
Is it that today's culture is so hooked on intensity and excitement that anything that doesn't involve screaming and loud, distorted guitars is seen as boring/lame?

Actually, I'm fascinated by jazz-type music. I just don't know why anyone would think it's boring.
 
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Jazz is alive and well in Memphis... every Sunday you can find places that have Jazz Brunches!

Jazz is still doing well, you can hear its influences in several pieces of popular music. I must say I am a fan of the older scat style of Jazz.

Until this year, every October I and my staff at RadioRadio.us used to take the train from Memphis down to N'Awlins for Halloween and to enjoy the city.
 
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Here in Buffalo, we have a thriving jazz community and several venues to check out. For example, The Anchor Bar hosts Jimmy Gomes' Jazz Example (which my bass teacher plays in) on Fridays, we have the Colored Musicians' Club which has a rich history dating back to before Prohibition, and other venues too numerous to list.
My tastes in jazz aren't limited to "traditional" artists like Diz, Miles, 'Trane, etc. I also like Pat Metheny, Jaco, Stanley Jordan,etc.
 
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Jazz, ahh yes. Not alot of people my age who like it, but I'm nuts about it! I like the old stuff, big band and ensemble stuff; and alot of the new stuff like funk. Well, theres probably a better word than "funk". I'm referring the the group Soulive. Great music. Musicians I like?

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^ to mention a few hehe. (check out harlem.org for more about that picture)

Of course there's alot more, but yeah. Jazz isn't dead yet.

"Don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing"
 
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zmastah said:
Just something I've been wondering...why is it that there isn't a big demand for Christian jazz music. Or just jazz in general. What has happened? Has popular music strayed so far from its roots in Jazz/Blues that the jazz crowd is relegated to a few faithful followers? Is it that today's culture is so hooked on intensity and excitement that anything that doesn't involve screaming and loud, distorted guitars is seen as boring/lame?

I think it would be rather hard making a good Christian jazz vocal album. Most vocal jazz songs are about love and are rather seductive in nature. It would just be wrong to sing a praise & worship song to God in a seductive tone. As for instrumental jazz, it could be “inspired” by God but how can anyone know if it’s really a Christian song or not if there are no words? So, I don’t think we’ll be seeing much of any Christian jazz music any time soon.
 
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i stick basically with classic jazz. however, im in a jazz swing band thats made up of some teenagers around this area, who just love to play jazz. we havent played originals yet, but we are in the process of writing some up. we get gigs at various places. we've got several lined up for this month and are planning for more. all of us in the band love jazz. we have a natural passion for it. i think the problem is the lack of natural passion for jazz in society today. it may also be a matter of exposure. if more people were exposed to it on a regular basis, like they are with other genres of music, then maybe more people would develop a passion for it.

~eastside
 
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purekat said:
I think it would be rather hard making a good Christian jazz vocal album. Most vocal jazz songs are about love and are rather seductive in nature. It would just be wrong to sing a praise & worship song to God in a seductive tone. As for instrumental jazz, it could be “inspired” by God but how can anyone know if it’s really a Christian song or not if there are no words? So, I don’t think we’ll be seeing much of any Christian jazz music any time soon.

I would't see it like this... Vocal jazz songs have very differing lyrics, they are not always seductive. Anyway, the style of music it's not ment to be seductive, it's just ment to be beautiful. I don't see anything that stops people to make good (vocal) jazz for God's glory. I'm doing it myself.

I think the main reason for why there isn't much christian jazz is simply because there are not much Christian jazz musicians. And even if there is, christians often tend not to emphasize on musical abilities, which can be a good thing. However sometimes you just have to be good to play certain kind of music, which is the case in jazz.

I also think that you can play instrumental music in the Spirit and not in the Spirit. God doesn't need words to touch hearts. I personally became a christian while I was touched by a christian song and the part that touched me was the part with no lyrics.

I think there is a need for jazz/soul/motown r&b -type of worship and christian music, and that's one of the reasons I'm stuyding jazz music at the moment. I will do jazz for His glory. :)
 
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