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Why would God have a chosen race?

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That deny his only son, break his commandments that he gave to them. and even make a godless state that even have Gay prides every year in the streets of Jerusalem while God condemn such a thing?

why would he choose a race that do what he condemn?

ALL races do what He condemns. That is the reason He sent His Son to live, teach, die, and Resurrect for us that our sins may be forgiven.

The Jewish race was selected and groomed for the express purpose of bringing forth their Messiah, our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ. They, along with Christians, will one day greet our God-appointed King and fervently praise and bless our God for His Mercy and Grace to us all for bestowing such a wonderous Gift upon our world through His chosen people, the Jews.

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ALL races do what He condemns. That is the reason He sent His Son to live, teach, die, and Resurrect for us that our sins may be forgiven.

The Jewish race was selected and groomed for the express purpose of bringing forth their Messiah, our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ. They, along with Christians, will one day greet our God-appointed King and fervently praise and bless our God for His Mercy and Grace to us all for bestowing such a wonderous Gift upon our world through His chosen people, the Jews.

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I don't understand why don't he choose a Christian race instead? why the southern people of the U.S isn't his chosen people? why would he choose people based on there race instead of there deeds?
 
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I don't understand why don't he choose a Christian race instead? why the southern people of the U.S isn't his chosen people? why would he choose people based on there race instead of there deeds?
For one thing, there was no "christian race" until Jesus Christ, a Jew, and the Son of God, gave His life that the Christian Church--His Body on earth--might be born through the Power of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost morning.

God's reasons for choosing the Jews can be found described in the Pentateuch--the first 5 books of the Bible, especially in the first book, Genesis. God's covenant with Abraham, which is the basis of the Jews being taken by God as His chose people, can be found in Genesis, chapter 17.

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For one thing, there was no "christian race" until Jesus Christ, a Jew, and the Son of God, gave His life that the Christian Church--His Body on earth--might be born through the Power of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost morning.

God's reasons for choosing the Jews can be found described in the Pentateuch--the first 5 books of the Bible, especially in the first book, Genesis. God's covenant with Abraham, which is the basis of the Jews being taken by God as His chose people, can be found in Genesis, chapter 17.

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Ok you didn't answer me, why would he choose Jews over Christians? Does that mean it is better to be a Jew rather then a Christian?
 
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Ok you didn't answer me, why would he choose Jews over Christians? Does that mean it is better to be a Jew rather then a Christian?
Well, actually i did answer you--Christianity was born out of Judaism--the Jewish Messiah is our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately for the Jews but fortunately for us as Gentiles, the Jews rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah and crucified Him, thus allowing non-Jews to be adopted into God's family as His beloved children. Although the majority of early Christians were Jewish, Gentiles soon outnumbered them.

The difference between Jews and Christians is that Christians have accepted Jesus as the Christ where Jews have not, thus depriving themselves of God's proffered Salvation. According to prophecy, however, in the last days the Nation of Israel will turn back to God, accept Jesus for Who He is, be forgiven for their transgressions, and join Christians as God's adopted children.

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Well, actually i did answer you--Christianity was born out of Judaism--the Jewish Messiah is our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately for the Jews but fortunately for us as Gentiles, the Jews rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah and crucified Him, thus allowing non-Jews to be adopted into God's family as His beloved children. Although the majority of early Christians were Jewish, Gentiles soon outnumbered them.

The difference between Jews and Christians is that Christians have accepted Jesus as the Christ where Jews have not, thus depriving themselves of God's proffered Salvation. According to prophecy, however, in the last days the Nation of Israel will turn back to God, accept Jesus for Who He is, be forgiven for their transgressions, and join Christians as God's adopted children.

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Which Jews are God's chosen people? can a Chinese convert to Judaism be part of the chosen people? What about the Jews who became Christians are they not the chosen people any more?
 
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Ok you didn't answer me, why would he choose Jews over Christians?

Because God made a promise to Abraham. when God made his promise there weren't and "christians."

We needed a "chosen" people to host the son of God, So that he may live and die, so that Later we could indeed have Christians.. (which isn't a race, but a choice.) People are born Jews, but Christians choose to follow God, they aren't born that way.

Being born into a people makes a race. One Can't choose to be a different race. Like if you wanted to be Korean and you were not, you could not choose to change your race, at best all you could do change your life style. Even so, you are still technically the same "race" you started out as.

Ultimately The Jews were necessary to establish God will on earth. Without Jews there wouldn't have been a Christianity. (nor any Muslims)
 
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Which Jews are God's chosen people? can a Chinese convert to Judaism be part of the chosen people? What about the Jews who became Christians are they not the chosen people any more?
Jewish converts are just as much Jews in God's eyes as those who were born Jewish. One becomes part of God's Chosen People by worshipping God and following His Commandments.

Jews who become Christians become doubly God's Chosen People--by worshipping and obeying God the Father and also by accepting His Son as their Lord, God, and Savior--their Messiah, if you will.

As Scripture tells us, "Salvation is from the Jews." (John 4:22)

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Because God made a promise to Abraham. when God made his promise there weren't and "christians."

What that suppose to mean? God didn't know that there will be Christians in the future?



We needed a "chosen" people to host the son of God, So that he may
live and die, so that Later we could indeed have Christians..

so why Didn't God tell that to Abraham? Why didn't he tell him that he chose his children to host his son?


(which isn't a race, but a choice.) People are born Jews, but Christians choose to follow God, they aren't born that way.

There are many ways to be a Jew not just by being born to Jewish parents.

Being born into a people makes a race. One Can't choose to be a different race. Like if you wanted to be Korean and you were not, you could not choose to change your race, at best all you could do change your life style. Even so, you are still technically the same "race" you started out as.

But today Jews are not a race of people, there are white, black, Arab, Persian and maybe even Chinese Jews.

Ultimately The Jews were necessary to establish God will on earth. Without Jews there wouldn't have been a Christianity. (nor any Muslims)

Well Judaism wasn't the first religion, Noah had a religion and it wasn't Judaism. so Judaism was just another religion.
 
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Jewish converts are just as much Jews in God's eyes as those who were born Jewish. One becomes part of God's Chosen People by worshipping God and following His Commandments.
But today's Jews are not following God's commandment like I mentioned, the only Jews that would try to follow them are probably the Orthodox. I remember a Jew who said that he heard a joke in a Jewish radio saying: If Moses was alive today he would probably execute half the Israelis.
Jews who become Christians become doubly God's Chosen People--by worshipping and obeying God the Father and also by accepting His Son as their Lord, God, and Savior--their Messiah, if you will.

As Scripture tells us, "Salvation is from the Jews." (John 4:22)
What about Jews who became Muslims or Atheists or Hindus aren't they chosen people any more?
 
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But today's Jews are not following God's commandment like I mentioned, the only Jews that would try to follow them are probably the Orthodox. I remember a Jew who said that he heard a joke in a Jewish radio saying: If Moses was alive today he would probably execute half the Israelis.
On the contrary, there are many many Jews doing their best to follow God's commandments and worship Him with their lives. Be careful about blanket generalizations! Especially judgmental ones. That path leads to spiritual death!

What about Jews who became Muslims or Atheists or Hindus aren't they chosen people any more?
i can't speak for God in this matter. All i know for sure that one is a Jew if he/she worships the God of Israel and strives to live out His commandments. Anything beyond this is within God's purview alone.

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On the contrary, there are many many Jews doing their best to follow God's commandments and worship Him with their lives. Be careful about blanket generalizations! Especially judgmental ones. That path leads to spiritual death!


i can't speak for God in this matter. All i know for sure that one is a Jew if he/she worships the God of Israel and strives to live out His commandments. Anything beyond this is within God's purview alone.

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But God promised Abraham's children of Isaac's descent doesn't that also includes all Isaac's children? even the Hindus of them?
 
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But God promised Abraham's children of Isaac's descent doesn't that also includes all Isaac's children? even the Hindus of them?

i don't understand your question. All of Isaac's children were, of course, Jewish.

If this is a repeat of your former question concerning what happens if a Jew converts to Hinduism--i have no clue how God will judge that person. It is in His Hands and He doesn't confide that kind of stuff to me.

i would, however, venture to state that the Jew in question made a seriously bad bargain in giving up his heritage of personal interactions with the Living God for one-way converse with an Elephant-Headed stone statue.

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i don't understand your question. All of Isaac's children were, of course, Jewish.

If this is a repeat of your former question concerning what happens if a Jew converts to Hinduism--i have no clue how God will judge that person. It is in His Hands and He doesn't confide that kind of stuff to me.

i would, however, venture to state that the Jew in question made a seriously bad bargain in giving up his heritage of personal interactions with the Living God for one-way converse with an Elephant-Headed stone statue.

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So you are not sure which children of Abraham are his chosen?
 
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So you are not sure which children of Abraham are his chosen?

Only God knows for sure. St. Paul explains the situation thusly, "For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, 'It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.' In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring." (Romans9:6b-8)

FAITH, AS ALWAYS IN DEALING WITH GOD, IS THE KEY AND THE DETERMINING FACTOR!


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Only God knows for sure. St. Paul explains the situation thusly, "For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, 'It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.' In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring." (Romans:6b-8)

FAITH, AS ALWAYS IN DEALING WITH GOD, IS THE KEY AND THE DETERMINING FACTOR!


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so Paul said it is not the natural children but children of the promise, does that mean Christians?

Isn't Paul contradicting the OT?
 
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What that suppose to mean? God didn't know that there will be Christians in the future?

With out Christ, there could be no Christians right?

So where did Christ come from?

Out of the House of David.

David was a son of Abraham.

To look at Christianity without the Jews is to not understand the whole of Christianity. We have (Through Christ) been grafted into the covenant God made with Abraham.

romans 11:
11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!

13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. 22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

so why Didn't God tell that to Abraham? Why didn't he tell him that he chose his children to host his son?
Because that was only part of the reason God Choose His people. In order to have a savior we need to know what it is we are being saved from.

God chose the Israelites because of the exceeding righteousness and faith of their father Abraham. He chose them to not only host the savior, but to receive the Law in which we are to be saved from. "chosen" does not mean all are automatically saved. Chosen in this case means the people God is used to establish is plan of salvation. They were chosen because God liked Abraham.

God was going to go through with his plan of salvation even if Abram (Before God renamed him Abraham was known as Abram) didn't exist. We are told that this plan was in place before the foundation of the world had even been set. If not Abram then another exceeding righteous man would have taken the name Abraham and His descendants would be known as Israel.

There are many ways to be a Jew not just by being born to Jewish parents.
This is where i think you are confused. Are their any ways to become truly Arabic, other than to be born Arabic?
If my mother was Korean, and my father American does this entitle me to be a prince of Arabia?

Even if I choose to be a Citizen of Saudi Arabia does change my blood line?

There are Those who are born Jews, Those who practice Judaism as a religion, and there are those who are citizens of the nation of Israel. You can technically become a Jew, but that Doesn't make you a blood line descendant of Abraham.. This is the manor in which "Race" is being discussed. To be considered a member of the Jewish race you have to be born into that class of people. Again wanting to be a Korean doesn't make one a Korean descendant.

It is from the descendants of Abraham that Prophesy is full filled in the Chosen people of Israel. Again the Jewish people were able to trace the linage of Jesus back to Abraham. None of those people were last minute converts. They were all legitimate Jewish Men.

But today Jews are not a race of people, there are white, black, Arab, Persian and maybe even Chinese Jews.

In the strictest sense these people are not a "race" of Jews. They can claim Jewish roots and can be considered practicing Jewish people before all religious authority, but again are not the "race" of Jewish people.

There was a small number of Jewish people left in the holy land after King Nebuchadnezzar took the majority of the Jewish people into captivity. These people flourished with "other races" while the rest of the Jewish people were being held as slaves in captivity. Many years later When the Jewish people were released from their captivity, and returned Home. they did not see the descendants of the "Small number of people " Left by the king, as Brother Jews.. They saw them as 1/2 breeds and from then on the majority of them were referred to as Samaritans.
also know that these people still worshiped the same God and stuck by their "Jewish" traditions. It wasn't till after the return of the Israelites that their beliefs became to change.

So again, To worship as a Jew is one thing, to be considered a son or descendant of Abraham is another completely. you can worship and still not be apart of the Jewish "race."

Well Judaism wasn't the first religion, Noah had a religion and it wasn't Judaism. so Judaism was just another religion.

Noah, like Adam worshiped God directly, none of us has a direct line to God outside of God's efforts that has it's foundations firmly established in Judaism. If we can talk to God now it is because of the foundation that has been laid by all of those who came before us, if you look far enough back.. it will go to one man, and his version of righteousness, and faith that found favor in God's eye. Even if you consider Judaism "another religion" Know that it is the religion that God established Himself.
 
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That deny his only son, break his commandments that he gave to them. and even make a godless state that even have Gay prides every year in the streets of Jerusalem while God condemn such a thing?

why would he choose a race that do what he condemn?

Do you know what a "race" is even defined as?

"a group of persons related by common descent or heredity"

If we are descendants of Abraham then we are all of the same race, therefore we are all God's children. We are the promise, Jew and Christian alike. Do not separate what God has joined.
 
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