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I guess you can make those decisions when you are God. And God did.
And that proves nothing because there are others who do make the choice to do it. And they have free will.
What is your point?
I guess you can make those decisions when you are God. And God did.
what difference would it make if the judge knew he would commit the crime?
I guess you can make those decisions when you are God. And God did.
So - the Epicurean paradox or Problem of Evil.1. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omniscient (he could not see the results of his action), or
2. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omnipotent (he could not create a perfect creation, or he did not have the power to sustain perfection in his creation), or
3. God is omniscient and omnipotent but uncompassionate and unloving (towards his creation he originated, dooming many to hell which he foreknew).
That doesn't really address the topic at all.
I'll ask the question again. How do you reconcile the idea that your god is omnibenevolent and omnipotent yet allows suffering that is easily preventable without affecting free will?
We're not discussing "fault". We're discussing the contradiction between having a god concept that includes both omnipotence and omnibenevolence, and the existence of suffering.
Evil has to exist in a universe of persons.
Evil is simply the result of competing priorities in a universe of finite beings who each by nature and defition have their own individual purposes.
Hence, to the grass the deer is evil, and to the the deer the lion is evil, and so on.
That each creature in a universe is finite is self-evident and could be no other way (as to be infinite a creature would have to be the infinite universe itself).
That each creatures interests thus conflict with others is thus unavoidable because they are always finite and thus with finite and personal interests at some level.
And thus that evil occurs is unavoidable; not because of a lack of goodness but because it is integral to the nature of personal finite beings to have conficting interests that cause suffering in each other.
Evil has to exist in a universe of persons.
Evil is simply the result of competing priorities in a universe of finite beings who each by nature and defition have their own individual purposes.
Hence, to the grass the deer is evil, and to the the deer the lion is evil, and so on.
That each creature in a universe is finite is self-evident and could be no other way (as to be infinite a creature would have to be the infinite universe itself).
That each creatures interests thus conflict with others is thus unavoidable because they are always finite and thus with finite and personal interests at some level.
And thus that evil occurs is unavoidable; not because of a lack of goodness but because it is integral to the nature of personal finite beings to have conficting interests that cause suffering in each other.
1. So you don´t believe in miracles?So - the Epicurean paradox or Problem of Evil.
The answer is simple - #2. God is all powerful in that he can do anything that is possible within the framework of reality. This is not the same as omnipotent. What we have was the optimal path within those constraints.
Except an intelligent designer could have avoided these issues.
Living things don't have to eat living things to survive if you have total control over the design of those things. For example, god could have made it possible that humans and other animals could get their energy through photosynthesis, like plants do.
For some reason, he must have decided it was better for predators to violently kill and devour their prey. I don't see how that could be the choice of an omnibenevolent being, but it does make sense if we're talking about natural evolution.
Unless you did it deliberately for moral reasons?Perfect beings can not make imperfect things.
For example, pretend I'm perfect and I want to create something... if I create a flawed thing, then I did an imperfect thing, which makes me not completely perfect.
Except an intelligent designer could have avoided these issues.
Living things don't have to eat living things to survive if you have total control over the design of those things. For example, god could have made it possible that humans and other animals could get their energy through photosynthesis, like plants do.
For some reason, he must have decided it was better for predators to violently kill and devour their prey. I don't see how that could be the choice of an omnibenevolent being, but it does make sense if we're talking about natural evolution.
What could such a moral reason be, for example?Unless you did it deliberately for moral reasons?
He did, the animals ate herbs before the fall and man fruit, death came through Adam.Except an intelligent designer could have avoided these issues.
Living things don't have to eat living things to survive if you have total control over the design of those things. For example, god could have made it possible that humans and other animals could get their energy through photosynthesis, like plants do.
For some reason, he must have decided it was better for predators to violently kill and devour their prey. I don't see how that could be the choice of an omnibenevolent being, but it does make sense if we're talking about natural evolution.
What a power this man - even though unable to tell right from wrong, good from bad - was given!He did, the animals ate herbs before the fall and man fruit, death came through Adam.
He did, the animals ate herbs before the fall and man fruit, death came through Adam.
Evil has to exist in a universe of persons.
Evil is simply the result of competing priorities in a universe of finite beings who each by nature and defition have their own individual purposes.
Hence, to the grass the deer is evil, and to the the deer the lion is evil, and so on.
That each creature in a universe is finite is self-evident and could be no other way (as to be infinite a creature would have to be the infinite universe itself).
That each creatures interests thus conflict with others is thus unavoidable because they are always finite and thus with finite and personal interests at some level.
And thus that evil occurs is unavoidable; not because of a lack of goodness but because it is integral to the nature of personal finite beings to have conficting interests that cause suffering in each other.
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