Lol? Knowledge of sin is in fact a part of knowledge of good and evil, we were therefore arguing about knowledge of good and evil indeed. Did you lose track of everything in a split second, or were you trying to shift goalposts?
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we were never arguing that it had to be knowledge of good and evil now did we? after i suggested god could give knowledge of sin easily you claimed humans cant instantly gain knowledge. i showed you that according to your holy book they were given knowledge instantly. are you done shifting goal posts?
There is a text that He will reconcile all things to Himself, but I was taught that He only died for humans.And where does that idea come from?
If he can't, then it would stand to reason that he wouldn't want to -- but why can't he?
There is a text that He will reconcile all things to Himself, but I was taught that He only died for humans.
He's totally evil, he's everything opposite to good,
I think he doesn't want to,
just like God doesn't want to sin.
Jesus was capable to do it, otherwise he wouldn't tempt Him, but He didn't want to.
I read about universalism, for people it could be possible, but I don't care if the devil gets saved.
He didn't create him. That would make Him evil.
He was a perfect angel that got proud and wanted to be higher than God.
He was a perfect angel that got proud and wanted to be higher than God.
Yes but it doesn't say He created it like that. GAP-ers say the original text says it became void and dark.
He was murdered by sin itself through the act of sinful men. God accomplishing the requirement of righteousness in a sinless human form of Himself is the mystery of godliness.
Why?
Why would he want to be "higher than God?"
If he was prefect, how much more perfect-er did he think he could get?
If things were perfect in heaven, why would he want to change that? Where would he even get the idea to disobey?
It says in the beginning it was that way, not that it became that way.
If that's how it was in the beginning, then it was created that way.
But he didn't sin, therefore he should be immune to death. The acts of sinners should have no effect on him.
Eh, you clearly don't know what "jealous" means. First, God is jealous because He knows He made you therefore it is right that you should receive and reciprocate His love.
How is that any indication of pride when you yourself also desire the same from the woman of your dreams?
Second, God is jealous because He wants the best for you and wants you to receive everything you need from Him only because no one else can give like He does. How is that any indication of pride? Do you not have the same desire towards the woman you truly love?
I find it rather insulting that you guys keep using the word "demand" in terms of worshipping and sacrificing. God merely issues a directive to those who are willing to follow Him to experience His goodness, it is a directive for those already willing (i.e.. Israel in the OT) to worship Him as God. Those laws in the OT were not enforced on any other heathen nations around OT Israel, so how did God "demand" anyone to worship Him?
Ask yourself this: Were the above directives given to people who already want to follow God, or those who were God-deniers?
God does not demand or force like you falsely insist, His commands were given to His people - those already willing to accept and worship Him as God.
No He never sinned, He just took our sins in His body and was 'made sin', but He Himself wasn't made sinful.
That is a flawed conclusion. God issued a clear directive in the beginning what the forbidden fruit does, so Adam and Eve could not have been totally ignorant of the consequences. In fact, if God wanted them to fall, He would not have given such a clear directive about that fruit. Clearly, His intention was not for them to fall, but He was aware of the possibility and prepared beforehand a salvation.
He did not play a direct role in the fall like you falsely claim. I do believe God has every power to give mankind knowledge of good and evil without the need of mankind's fall. The fall was a direct cause of satan's deception and the unbelief of mankind.
If there was no devil it would be easier I think, but since he's there the only thing you have to obey is: keep away from him and sin.
It's like a parent that tells a kid not to take candy from a stranger and just obey. If you know the parent obeying isn't that hard. Some weirdo's tried to teach a kid this that was too innocent and kidnapped him. There is no other way with someone who's innocent and not innocent means that you sinned.
Because the story they're trying to sell wouldn't make any sense.
Because even the devil serves a purpose in teaching us what evil is and what it does? He is the very epitome of the extent sin can corrupt a created being and how ugly sin can make him become.
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