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Let us suppose the human found a way to fabricate an entire new universe, replete with the resources it needs.
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Let us suppose the human found a way to fabricate an entire new universe, replete with the resources it needs.How did "it" create me? What you really mean is "it" assembled me from what had already been created.
Let us suppose the human found a way to fabricate an entire new universe, replete with the resources it needs.
Let's say... aliens. Who themselves arose by chemical abiogenesis.Who created the human?
Let's say... aliens. Who themselves arose by chemical abiogenesis.
They arose by entirely natural and unguided processes.Who created the chemicals?
Natural and unguided processes. The details are unimportant - suffice to say, they were natural and unguided.Arose from what?
Natural and unguided processes. The details are unimportant - suffice to say, they were natural and unguided.
God is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything (Acts 17:25)
Pretty much. I'll accept that there are activities equivalent to building temples or singing praises, but to me that sort of thing is what worship is.After all these 7 pages, you've only had "because you should". But what is this thing you call worship? If you were to understand it, then you would see why you should do it. Can you define what worship is? You did touch on it here:
worship in the sense of building temples
singing and praising its name
So, do you think that if someone doesn't build a temple or sing and praise His name, that they are not worshipping Him?
Usually. The scientist in me says "Ah, but what if they're doing it to, say, scam money or gain social clout?", in which case no, I don't think they would be worshipping God. So perhaps it's all about intent - they build temples and sing praises with the intent that this would be worship.Also, if they do build a temple, sing and praise His name, are they worshipping Him?
Indeed!What is worship? What good does worship do? What harm comes from not worshipping Him? What harm comes from worshipping someone other than Him?
Take a look at the exchange I had been having with Steeno7. I didn't answer the question because Steeno7 was evading mine - namely, would he worship something that met all his criteria for 'worthy of worship', but that wasn't God. We went around the houses on this one, specifying and clarifying pointless details. But semantics is boring, so I dusted my hands and let the conversation die.Well. So this is how it ends. A question that cannot be answered.
Only Christians, and the non-Christian OP, can post in EC threads.What if god doe not want humans worshiping it?
Alien444, you are not allowed to post in this thread, least of all to join in with mockery.Lol.
Take a look at the exchange I had been having with Steeno7. I didn't answer the question because Steeno7 was evading mine - namely, would he worship something that met all his criteria for 'worthy of worship', but that wasn't God. We went around the houses on this one, specifying and clarifying pointless details. But semantics is boring, so I dusted my hands and let the conversation die.
In future, please don't be so rude as to presume you know me or my intentions.
And my driving point is that the creature doesn't have all the attributes of God.Like I said, and which you apparently still cannot fathom is that a creature that has all of the attributes of God, would be God. It is you who are evading that obvious logical conclusion.
And my driving point is that the creature doesn't have all the attributes of God.
The creature a) made you, b) sustains you, and c) offers you eternal life. Grand properties, to be sure, but the creature cannot make universes, answer prayers, read thoughts, etc. It's not omniscience, omnipotent, etc. It could even be a horribly wicked being, and you are perhaps an experiment or hobby.
The point is it's easy to imagine a being that has the three properties you describe, but isn't God. After all, what if such a being existed in a universe where the real God was actually around, doing whatever it is God does?
If two things have the same properties, they are not necessarily the same entity. You and I share a carbon-based biochemistry - are we one being? No. Likewise, why can there be only one being with underlings who he's made, sustained, and offered eternal life to?All attributes of God and of God alone. God is Creator. God alone has life in Himself. God alone is the Sustainer of what He has created. You are describing God, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
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