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Three words: men aren't beasts. (I know, its actually five, and counting now, but ignoring the technicalities).Two words: herd immunity.
Not at all. It is perfectly equivalent.You should be aware that the eight fold path you refer to, is about ones personal beliefs and inner the developmemts. Why would you use such a thing in this thread. I know your e being a tad sarcastic to argue a case against vaccination, but using the eight fold path as your case is a bit undignified imo
Not preferred scientists but all.....ALL. you will be unable to cite a single scientist that links autism to vaccines. Do a search of the last fifteen years. On the contrary the benefits are obvious. But the effect relies on us taking the responsibility of being immune or the disease continues to be perpetuated. I only ask that people act on evidence from genuine double blinded peer reviewed research, and not some opinion piece from a natural therapies magazine. And plz don't reduce the dignity of BuddhismNot at all. It is perfectly equivalent.
I have no proof regarding the OP's claim. As far as I can tell, most people don't have direct proof either. They are relying on faith in the words of their chosen prophets - in this case regarding vaccines, it is faith in the pronouncements of their preferred "scientists".
Wrong. Here's one, for example.Not preferred scientists but all.....ALL. you will be unable to cite a single scientist that links autism to vaccines. Do a search of the last fifteen years.
Incorrect, since that's not why tonsils are removed. Tonsils are removed if a person keeps having them infected and enlarged because they risk having their airway blocked by them. Tonsils themselves exist as a barrier to infection, and the only reason they can get infected frequently is because they are on the front lines. For health overall, it is better to keep them when you can.At one stage, tonsillectomy was routine as it demonstrably prevented disease.
Not by much; clearly, STDs still spread to circumcised men, and condoms are better at preventing them than being maimed. Also, do you not know that circumcision has a lot of horrid side effects, and that one of the guaranteed ones is reduced sensation? Vaccines don't guarantee any side effects.Many studies used even today demonstrate that circumcision prevents disease.
An extreme reaction to the fact that she was genetically predisposed to breast cancer... which doesn't even mean she was going to get it.Brad Pitt's ex-wife even had her breasts removed to prevent disease.
Like mandating going to school? Anarchy ain't much better.However, to mandate these things would be totalitarian.
Good sanitation doesn't do crap for a disease that can spread through the air, and polio is one of them. Also, not like every lake in the US is sanitized. How many people you know with smallpox, friend?I haven't met anyone with polio, but I put this down to good sanitation, rather than vaccination.
0 evidence that vaccines cause autism, and you say that like autism is something people can just acquire. No 6 year old acquires autism just then, autism symptoms show up as early as 6 months of age. But I guess you'd rather a dead baby than a socially awkward one. After all, the most common form of autism isn't severe and can be lived with. Brain damage from a fever, on the other hand... By the way, did you know that severe illness in childhood is tied with a ton of different mental issues and future health problems?The risks include death and symptoms with the severity of autism - not a decision to be taken lightly by someone not prepared to pay the price.
-_- they are. I've only gotten the actual flu once in my entire life (a year my mother decided not to have me vaccinated), I have never had polio, I have never had chickenpox, I have never had measles... the list goes on.Its not understood well enough, or vaccinated populations would be demonstrably more resistant to disease than unvaccinated
Sure, some people have natural resistances to some diseases... but it is unlikely that they would be resistant to every disease for which there is a vaccine. Also, how many people have survived rabies unvaccinated again?Not everyone exposed to a disease contracts it, whether vaccinated or not.
-_- vaccines don't risk giving you a disease because the virus has the parts that attach to cells to infect them taken away, and they can't regenerate them. That, or they are straight up blended into pieces. Also, immunity to the flu doesn't apply, because it changes every year. So, a person could be naturally resistant to this year's strain, but not next year's.How is deliberately exposing someone to the risks of disease less risky than allowing the opportunity for the disease to pass over someone?
-_- oh my goodness, read your own sources and take a good look at the graphs. Notice how sometime after 1990, the "incidence" of autism diagnosis increases? Guess when Asperger's Syndrome was added to the DSM? Well how about that, it was in the 1990s. No wonder the diagnosis rate increased; the most common form of autism was added to the official diagnostic manual, and I have to love how your source waves it away as if it is nothing.Wrong. Here's one, for example.
Whatever the case might be, I am arguing for freedom of choice in relation to vaccines. Autism is only one other concern, but not my main one.
What is that even supposed to mean?Three words: men aren't beasts. (I know, its actually five, and counting now, but ignoring the technicalities).
I've never had a friend have polio, chickenpox, smallpox, tetanus, measles, mumps, the list goes on you get it. Yet, we have clear records that before there were vaccines for these diseases, they spread to large portions of the population and many people died.Not at all. It is perfectly equivalent.
I have no proof regarding the OP's claim. As far as I can tell, most people don't have direct proof either. They are relying on faith in the words of their chosen prophets - in this case regarding vaccines, it is faith in the pronouncements of their preferred "scientists".
Note that I'm not debating analysis of the evidence. Whether you decide to agree or disagree with these scientists' interpretation is another story altogether.-_- oh my goodness, read your own sources and take a good look at the graphs. Notice how sometime after 1990, the "incidence" of autism diagnosis increases? Guess when Asperger's Syndrome was added to the DSM? Well how about that, it was in the 1990s. No wonder the diagnosis rate increased; the most common form of autism was added to the official diagnostic manual, and I have to love how your source waves it away as if it is nothing.
That's nice. I don't have that same direct experience.I've never had a friend have polio, chickenpox, smallpox, tetanus, measles, mumps, the list goes on you get it. Yet, we have clear records that before there were vaccines for these diseases, they spread to large portions of the population and many people died.
In areas in which vaccines are scarce or unavailable, we still see these diseases run rampant.
Just google it. Was pretty routine once. The medical system got it wrong, as many believe they have with vaccination.Incorrect, since that's not why tonsils are removed. Tonsils are removed if a person keeps having them infected and enlarged because they risk having their airway blocked by them. Tonsils themselves exist as a barrier to infection, and the only reason they can get infected frequently is because they are on the front lines. For health overall, it is better to keep them when you can.
Depends on your opinion and the studies you believe. Some studies say it provides significant benefit, some say not. Some say it reduces sensation, others say it doesn't. I'd take the risk of the snipping of an unneeded piece of skin over injection of disease and poisons into my blood any day, but that's my choice to make, and your choice to make the opposite. This is called freedom.Not by much; clearly, STDs still spread to circumcised men, and condoms are better at preventing them than being maimed. Also, do you not know that circumcision has a lot of horrid side effects, and that one of the guaranteed ones is reduced sensation? Vaccines don't guarantee any side effects.
I agree. And many feel the same way about vaccination. Risking autism and death for a disease they are probably never going to catch, and which probably won't kill them if they do catch it.An extreme reaction to the fact that she was genetically predisposed to breast cancer... which doesn't even mean she was going to get it.
Maybe. I think anarchy is better than slavery, but possibly because I've never lived under anarchy.Like mandating going to school? Anarchy ain't much better.
Good sanitation seems to have eradicated the polio once experienced in the West.Good sanitation doesn't do crap for a disease that can spread through the air, and polio is one of them. Also, not like every lake in the US is sanitized. How many people you know with smallpox, friend?
Again, that's freedom. Many would prefer to die than be severely incapacitated. Its their choice.0 evidence that vaccines cause autism, and you say that like autism is something people can just acquire. No 6 year old acquires autism just then, autism symptoms show up as early as 6 months of age. But I guess you'd rather a dead baby than a socially awkward one. After all, the most common form of autism isn't severe and can be lived with. Brain damage from a fever, on the other hand... By the way, did you know that severe illness in childhood is tied with a ton of different mental issues and future health problems?
Probably not as rarely as you'd like to believe.People die so rarely from vaccines, that it is laughable that you think that risking that they catch whooping cough is safer.
Correlation does not prove causation.-_- they are. I've only gotten the actual flu once in my entire life (a year my mother decided not to have me vaccinated), I have never had polio, I have never had chickenpox, I have never had measles... the list goes on.
Everyone dies in the end. Vaccination just risks quality of life being extremely hampered in that time leading up to death. I'd imagine a number of people have survived rabies unvaccinated, but it would be hard to prove a number.Sure, some people have natural resistances to some diseases... but it is unlikely that they would be resistant to every disease for which there is a vaccine. Also, how many people have survived rabies unvaccinated again?
Well, just that the sentence "Three words: men aren't beasts." is actually composed of five words, rather than the three after the colon.What is that even supposed to mean?
Hmm, difficult to say, given that there are multiple conditions which can result in making a person unable to get vaccines. With about 353,000 babies born each day, and babies having to be at least 2 months old before vaccines can be given to them, that would make about 21,180,000 people that can't be vaccinated due to age around the world right now. About 2 percent of children are allergic to eggs (a common allergy to grow out of), which means that there are about 38,000,000 children that can't get vaccines because of allergies around the world. Obviously, some minor overlap between those two numbers, since about 2 percent of those babies should be allergic to eggs too, but you get the idea.How many people are you talking about? How many people don't have the option of receiving a vaccine?
I am assuming you are talking about the US. Illegal immigration can be a source of epidemics, as people from foreign countries carry their diseases with them. All the more reason to get vaccinated and protect yourself. Though, China and India are worse sources of illnesses than Mexico.Is it as many as the unvancinated illegal aliens who are pouring into this country?
Not sure what your point is, unless you are implying that it doesn't matter if people die from illnesses or vaccines, because more people are coming into the country than dying?Is it as many who fall ill after being injected with a vaccine?
Ok Ty I'll have a read then replyWrong. Here's one, for example.
Whatever the case might be, I am arguing for freedom of choice in relation to vaccines. Autism is only one other concern, but not my main one.
I did google it, and looked up why tonsils are CURRENTLY removed, why would you base your argument on an old error?Just google it. Was pretty routine once. The medical system got it wrong, as many believe they have with vaccination.
Start coughing on babies in a maternity ward and see how well that goes over.Depends on your opinion and the studies you believe. Some studies say it provides significant benefit, some say not. Some say it reduces sensation, others say it doesn't. I'd take the risk of the snipping of an unneeded piece of skin over injection of disease and poisons into my blood any day, but that's my choice to make, and your choice to make the opposite. This is called freedom.
During the Spanish Flu epidemic, 1% of the world population died. When that same strain of the flu returned, not even a 100th of that died.I agree. And many feel the same way about vaccination. Risking autism and death for a disease they are probably never going to catch, and which probably won't kill them if they do catch it.
Impossible, given that polio, again, is also airborne. Sanitation doesn't hardly do crap for airborne diseases, and what about completely eradicated smallpox?Good sanitation seems to have eradicated the polio once experienced in the West.
Until they spread it to 50 other people and 5 of them also die. Then they made a choice of death for more than themselves.Again, that's freedom. Many would prefer to die than be severely incapacitated. Its their choice.
Medical records show otherwise. The CDC keeps up great with the various causes of death.Probably not as rarely as you'd like to believe.
I guess in the same way that blood loss and being shot by a bullet is correlation and not causation.Correlation does not prove causation.
Name 1. One person ever, that has survived rabies unvaccinated. A person that actually experienced the disease, not someone naturally immune. Name 1.Everyone dies in the end. Vaccination just risks quality of life being extremely hampered in that time leading up to death. I'd imagine a number of people have survived rabies unvaccinated, but it would be hard to prove a number.
You're welcome.Ok Ty I'll have a read then reply ... But Ty for the link. I'll read it
That has yet to be proven.it's not freedom of choice when your infection impacts on those who are vulnerable. Your literally making a choice for others who don't have capacity eg New borns.
@ananda are you saying you dont believe diseases are communicable, particularly to immunocomprimised people,or are you just arguing you dont think vaccinations dont work, or....are you arguing that the incidence of vaccine related complications is higher than the disease prevalence, and therefore the greater risk of concern.... Im a bit confused about what youre actually arguingThat has yet to be proven.
I'm arguing for freedom of choice, and for the freedom to practice what we personally believe, as long as we don't measurably infringe on anyone else's right to do the same.@ananda are you saying you dont believe diseases are communicable, particularly to immunocomprimised people,or are you just arguing you dont think vaccinations dont work, or....are you arguing that the incidence of vaccine related complications is higher than the disease prevalence, and therefore the greater risk of concern.... Im a bit confused about what youre actually arguing
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