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Is that because conservatives are generally an unmerciful lot? - lolProgressive is another term used for liberal christianity, which is sexually minded like the gnostics, Ultimate Reconciliation is inevitably liberal/generous in focus.
Words are funny that way, in another generation our innocent conversation will be full of innuendo that we did not intend.Is that because conservatives are generally an unmerciful lot? - lol
It should be a conservative value. Look at all that is conserved.
What is being destroyed is the work of false teachers and their teachings and those who believe them in 1 Corinthians 3:1-15. Let's look at the scriptures and their contexts...From the view of UR, it is what is being destroyed that is the question. The wood, hay and stubble? Or the person? WWJD?
What is impossible for God? (Philippians 4:13; Matthew 17:20; Matthew 19:16; Mark 10:27 etc etc). According to the scriptures God's salvation is from sin not to continue practicing sin *1 John 3:6-9. If we continue in known unrepentant sin we will die according to the scriptures (see Romans 6:1-23; Hebrews 10:26-31; Romans 6:16; Romans 6:23; Romans 8:13 etc etc..)That's generous.
He did give us a free will and an impossible standard, right?
Sounds like we were set-up to fail. But don't blame God?
I have an increasing frustration with threads such as this. Posters argue back and forth, touting this verse as proof of this or another verse as proof of that. It is not the best approach. There are versions such as the KJV which make "Hell" seem to be a reality. There are versions such as the Young's Literal, and many others, which do not mention "Hell" at all. So, instead of arguing interpretation, doctrine and dogma, we should be discussing which Bible version is the best translation, with the most honest approach. Too many versions are translated according to pre-determined theology...but I ask you all: Should not an honest translation come first, and only then the theology? At the very least, we should state what version we are quoting from, as the Bible is not monolithic.
Sure they do. They do it everyday by not believing and following Gods' Word and rejecting the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Though I do not believe the Roman Catholic doctrine of Hell is biblical according to the scriptures.Right. Blame the victims. I've heard that one before. Do you really think anyone knowingly chooses hell?
Jesus is also the living Word of God that gave us the written Word of God right (John 1:1-4; 14)?Jesus said "I am the truth"
Jesus said to the Father "Your word is truth"
Jesus also said that "The truth will set you free"
Minimizing the truth to words on a page (only) kind of takes away from what Jesus did for us.
Yes, the word in the beginning, the voice of God who was walking in the garden during the cool of the day. The incarnation of the voice of God that spoke creation into existence.Jesus is also the living Word of God that gave us the written Word of God right (John 1:1-4; 14)?
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnessYes, the word in the beginning, the voice of God who was walking in the garden during the cool of the day. The incarnation of the voice of God that spoke creation into existence.
In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely. And this is the name by which he will be called: ‘The LORD is our righteousness.’ (Jeremiah 23:6)2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
Matthew 4:4 Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely. And this is the name by which he will be called: ‘The LORD is our righteousness.’ (Jeremiah 23:6) I am the bread of life. (John 6:35)
Judah Benjamin is the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.Indeed who is Israel and Judah in the new covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34)?
Where do you get that out of the scriptures?Judah Benjamin is the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church. Israel are the various post reformation groups.
I read the histories of israel and transposed them over church history.Where do you get that out of the scriptures?
According to the scriptures God's Israel in the new covenant is simply all those who believe and follow God's Word and not necessarily a Church denomination. Israel in the new covenant is no longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but all those who are born again through faith in God's new covenant promise (see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27).I read the histories of israel and transposed them over church history.
The turning point towards following the histories was when the church councils cursed those who believed differently, mirroring the curses in deuteronomy regarding those who don't follow the law.According to the scriptures God's Israel in the new covenant is simply all those who believe and follow God's Word. Israel in the new covenant is no longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but all those who are born again through faith in God's new covenant promise (Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27).
Your still making the same mistake, over and over, again.I am sorry dear friend that it is exactly what the scriptures say. Here they all are verbatim including the supporting context so there is no confusion...
Romans 3:9-20
[9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before PROVED BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES, THAT THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN;
[10, As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE:
[11], There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God.
[12], THEY ARE ALL GONE OUT OF THE WAY, THEY ARE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE THAT DOES GOOD, NO, NOT ONE.
[13], Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
[14], Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
[15], Their feet are swift to shed blood:
[16], Destruction and misery are in their ways:
[17], And the way of peace have they not known:
[18], There is no fear of God before their eyes.
[19], NOW WE KNOW THAT WHAT THINGS SOEVER THE LAW SAID, IT SAID TO THEM WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW: THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED, AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.
[20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
As shown above, "through the law is the knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20). Anyone (both Jews and gentiles) who sin regardless if they know the law or not are under the laws condemnation and guilt according to Romans 3:9 to Romans 3:19. For example Romans 3:9 says [9], "What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jew and Gentiles that they are all under sin" and again in Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. The above scriptures show all the world stands under the law's condemnation because all have sinned.
Here let's add back the context you left out as v14 does not delete Romans 2:12-13. Once again the context of Romans 2 is Jew and Gentiles are all under sin as shown above already in Romans 3:9-20.
Romans 2:12-13 [12], FOR AS MANY AS HAVE SINNED WITHOUT LAW SHALL ALSO PERISH WITHOUT LAW: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;[13], FOR NOT THE HEARERS OF THE LAW ARE JUST BEFORE GOD, BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED.
No. I said no such thing. As posted earlier Gods' Word (not my words) says that anyone who sins which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments or not believing and following Gods' Word is "under the law" standing guilty before God of breaking the law (see Romans 3:9-20 posted above verbatim). They are God's Word posted verbatim not my words that you argue against here with your words that are not Gods Word. So who should I believe you or God? I know who I believe and it is not you dear friend. No one ever said Gentile unbelievers ever had God's laws this is a strawman argument no one has ever made so I will leave you to argue that one with yourself. All that was posted to you was that all, both believers and unbelievers according to Romans 3:9-19 are "under the law" guilty before God of breaking the law according to Romans 3:19 which are Gods' Words not my words. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That would be between you and God.
Hope this is helpful.
PS. I did also notice you did not answer my original question to you (see post # 67 linked).
If God's Word is the very standard of truth and error as shown in the scriptures and revealed by the Spirit of God in John 17:17; John 6:63 and Romans 3:4. Why would you want to separate the conversation of the truth of God's Word from the Word which defines what God's truth is? Sounds like a recipe to lead one away from the truth and God's Word in my opinion.
Your still making the same mistake, over and over, again.
Jews and Gentiles are under the law of sin and death (Romans 3:9-10).
The Jews had the law and Gentiles did not have the law (Romans 2:14).
The Gentiles never had the ten commandments and that is a fact.
The Gentiles never knew the God of the Old Testament.
Gentiles were sinning, yes. But were not breaking the ten commandments, because they were not in covenant with God to obey that law. Where there is no law there is no violation of that law.
Romans 4:15
For the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
The text never says the 'ten commandments', the text always states 'the law'.
That is important because the Gentiles were not members of the old covenant.
The law and the prophets were unknown to the Gentiles, fact.
You cannot break a law you never were given. Does that mean the Gentiles were not sinners?
Well that is what Romans 3:9-19 is telling us. The Gentiles behavior was evil and identical to the Jews. Not having the law does not make one exempt from judgement.
All the law does is define what sin is, it grants the knowledge of sin. The law will not make you righteous.
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