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You have to choose to be "in Christ", but your right, about the whole "game" thing, I just think it would be too much, and maybe not worth enough for either one of us maybe, etc...?Sounds like a Damnationist bias in the translation. Who should we blame that on?
This one is found in the Bible too. (lots more where that came from - the Bible)
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Is it loving to incinerate your enemies? What did Jesus teach us was godly behavior toward our enemies?
Matthew 5:4348
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Here's a great explanation of that verse from one of our beloved forum members. @public hermitYou have to choose to be "in Christ", but your right, about the whole "game" thing, I just think it would be too much, and maybe not worth enough for either one of us maybe, etc...?
Anyway, Peace
God Bless!
That's generous.Sin does not come from God, God never created us to sin...
I could pick apart just this one verse a lot further and in many different ways, etc, (and also what you just said or quoted also, etc) but I really don't feel like doing that with all verses in the Bible into eternity, because that is probably how long it will take, and it basically goes back to what I just said in post #81 again maybe, the latter part of post #81 anyway maybe, etc...Here's a great explanation of that verse from one of our beloved forum members. @public hermit
1 Corinthians 15:22 explained by Public Hermit
This is essentially a conditional statement.
It is upon the basis that all die in Adam that all also are made alive in Christ. Or better, if all had not died in Adam, then there would have been no need to make all (or any) alive in Christ.
If all died in Adam, then all are made alive in Christ.
The same set of people are being referenced in both the antecedent and the consequent. So, if "all" doesn't mean all in the consequent, then it doesn't mean all in the antecedent.
Modus tollens: If all are not made alive in Christ, then all did not die in Adam.
But, of course, all did die in Adam (according to the fans of eternal torment).
Therefore, all means all in both instances.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
From the view of UR, it is what is being destroyed that is the question. The wood, hay and stubble? Or the person? WWJD?
That's generous.
He did give us a free will and an impossible standard, right?
Sounds like we were set-up to fail. But don't blame God?
Yes. We even frame things that way in our language. Especially in reference to something that had a very emotional impact. "That movie was so good. It just destroyed me." And Jesus description as "weeping" and "gnashing of teeth" certainly sounds like an emotional response to something painful. Be it physical or emotional. The "person " could be "destroyed" in a sense as a complete reset. The identity of the soul still intact, but completely restored to manufacturer's specs. - lolI do wonder if there is a sense in which the "person" can be destroyed. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, the fire of divine love removes from the person all that is contrary to God. If someone's identity is so tied up in that which is contrary to God, what is left that is recognizable to that person? If I have immersed myself in hatred, selfishness, and lies wouldn't it be hell to expeience the removal of who I thought I was? I don't know. I don't want to know, lol.
Right. Blame the victims. I've heard that one before.We are taught the majority will find the path to destruction by their own choices.
Apparently Damnationist is the only school of thought that isn't a heresy. UR and Annihilationism are similar in a way under the premise that the suffering will not be eternal, one takes it to mean all offending creations will be incinerated, and the other takes it to mean God separates them from sin and gives them a fresh start.All three views are biblical and contradictory. Not fair to claim any of them are a heresy. IMHO
Or, if we want to blame anyone, blame those who gave us a Bible translation with a Damnationist bias.
All three views (Damnationism, Annihilationism and Universalism) were common doctrines in the early church. In fact, Universalism was the leading view. Four of the six theology schools preferred it.
"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge"
by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96
German theologian- Philip Schaff writes :
"In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."
Right. That is the majority position currently. (making other views heresy? Probably what you meant) But UR is gaining a lot of traction. As Progressive Christianity grows, so will the acceptance of UR.Apparently Damnationist is the only school of thought that isn't a heresy.
Right. Blame the victims. I've heard that one before.
Do you really think anyone knowingly chooses hell?
I hope this isn't work for you...We apparently have a very different definition of what "victim" means.
The dictionary's definition of victim is:
a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action.
"victims of domestic violence" ·
sufferer · injured party · casualty · injured person · wounded person · dead person · fatality · loss · loser
- a person who is tricked or duped.
Sinning is a choice. Just like I am sure the ones who commit crimes do not want to go to jail, but that is a consequence of their actions.
We are told to be doers of God's Word, not just hearers.
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. James 1:22
The bible teaches us to turn and repent from sin. People who choose their will over God's choose
sorcerers sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie in contrast to 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
from Revelations 22:14-15
Sharing God's Word is not work. Jesus told us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.I hope this isn't work for you...
I am referring to the countless billions that the standard view says are predestined to hell. Those who don't "find" the narrow gate (as opposed to those who were drawn there and elected) and those who have never so much as heard the name of Christ.
Is it loving to incinerate your enemies? What did Jesus teach us was godly behavior toward our enemies?
Hard to say, since progressive christianity is also sexually minded, it might go the way of the gnostics and just fade into obscurity once the culture changes too much.Right. That is the majority position currently. (making other views heresy? Probably what you meant) But UR is gaining a lot of traction. As Progressive Christianity grows, so will the acceptance of UR.
What part of the term "progressive" don't you understand? - lolHard to say, since progressive christianity is also sexually minded, it might go the way of the gnostics and just fade into obscurity once the culture changes too much.
Progressive is another term used for liberal christianity, which is sexually minded like the gnostics, Ultimate Reconciliation is inevitably liberal/generous in focus.What part of the term "progressive" don't you understand? - lol
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