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Well, I'm not God, and I'm not infallible, and so I do "err" sometimes, etc, but I just hope it's a whole heck of a lot less now than I use to hopefully, etc...Thanks. I hope you a right.
Imagine what would be like if you were not right. Yikes!
There's a lot more than one verse that implies universal reconciliation. Which you should know by now. You haven't moved beyond posting the same basic message over and over again. What do you think inherit the kingdom of God means? Is it that one either inherits a kingdom or they spend eternity in a torture dungeon? Can there be nothing in between those two extremes?
What do you think inherit the kingdom of God means?
Not so, a person is dead in their sins and trespasses until they die in Christ, upon which they are made alive, given the fire of the spirit. Have you not experienced it? You must be born again.
Nobody who hasn't been born again, ie baptised with fire and the spirit can enter the Kingdom. That's because it takes exomolgeo, giving it up for God, casting to the wind what you think you know, who you think you are, all those false idols we've all been indoctrinated with. Once that occurs, the hand is set to the plow.
God's Kingdom is radically different, there's no friendship between the world and the table of demons. A believer can't love God and love Nasa, for instance, the two are irreconcilable.
When God says He's going to bless and save all the nations, when He sends Jesus to be the saviour of the world, when He seals His promise in holy blood, and when He gives us end-time visions of deliverance of the nations in the renewal of all things, I believe Him. Now, it may be that many find that great truth offensive (a stumbling stone to Jews and foolishness to Greeks), but so be it, God has no fellowship with the fallen ways of the world, He's intent on restoring creation to His image. He doesn't love you or me any less than He loves the hookers and tax collectors downtown.
All things are in His hands, and for Him to change the heart of a fornicator, an idolater, an adulterer, an effeminate, an abuser of themselves with men, a thief, the covetous, a drunkard, a reviler, or an extortioner is a beautiful thing. Miracles are commonplace in the Kingdom, and what's impossible for man is certainly not impossible for God.
So there's no 'time limits' on 'your salvation'. It's nothing you do, how can you talk about it like it's some sort of achievement on your part, that's self-righteousness - you have your reward. God appoints the time for salvation of all men, it's all in His hands. All things from Him, through Him and to Him. Exitus et reditus. Perhaps you should submit to Christ.
Satan and the angels that followed him did. Seems feasible for us.
Interested to see where this discussion goes. - lol
things are in His hands, and for Him to change the heart of a fornicator, an idolater, an adulterer, an effeminate, an abuser of themselves with men, a thief, the covetous, a drunkard, a reviler, or an extortioner is a beautiful thing. Miracles are commonplace in the Kingdom, and what's impossible for man is certainly not impossible for God.
Did you forget? I don't believe in hell. And neither do all these Bible translators.
Bibles that do NOT contain the word "Hell".
Wesley's New Testament (1755)
Scarlett's N.T. (1798)
The New Testament in Greek and English (Kneeland, 1823)
Young's Literal Translation (1891)
Twentieth Century New Testament (1900)
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (reprinted, 1902)
Fenton's Holy Bible in Modern English (1903)
Weymouth's New Testament in Modern Speech (1903)
The New Testament, James Moffat, (1917)
Jewish Publication Society Bible Old Testament (1917)
Panin's Numeric English New Testament (1914)
The New Testament, Charles B. Williams, 1937
The People's New Covenant (Overbury, 1925)
Hanson's New Covenant (1884)
Western N.T. (1926)
NT of our Lord and Savior Anointed (Tomanek, 1958)
Concordant Literal NT (1983)
The N.T., A Translation (Clementson, 1938)
Emphatic Diaglott, Greek/English Interlinear (Wilson, 1942)
New American Bible (1970)
Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976)
Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures, Old Testament (1985)
The New Testament, A New Translation (Greber, 1980)
Christian Bible (1991)
The Scriptures (1993)
World English Bible (in progress)
Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha [NT Only]
Original Bible Project (Dr. James Tabor, still in translation)
Zondervan Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1975)**
Int. NASB-NIV Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1993)**
A Critical Paraphrase of the N.T. by Vincent T. Roth (1960)
New Testament, Recovery Version, Living Stream Ministry, 1991
New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE) Roman Catholic
Holy Bible In Its Original Order, Fred R. Coulter, 2007
Etymological N.T. (An Ultra Literal Translation, 2011, Michael Wine)
Aramaic Peshitta New Testament, 2006, Janet M. Magiera
MirrorWord N.T. (Francois du Toit) still in translation
Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ, Electronic Ver. (Tentmaker Ministries)
The Source N.T. (Dr. Ann Nyland), 2004, 2007
Jonathan Mitchell N.T. (Jonathan Mitchell) 2009
The Scriptures, 2016
Tree of Life Version, Baker Bookhouse, 2016******
The New Testament (David Bentley Hart) Yale University Press, 2017
Here's an open question. Will we have free will to sin once we're in heaven?
On this we agree. We can't change our own hearts. Only God can. And faith in Christ is required for salvation. When that happens God is faithful to work in us to confirm us into the image of his son. That doesn't happen until we are born again. And we are not born again until we believe. And we can only be born again in this life, not the next.
Only those that believe are saved. If you don't believe before you die, and don't confuse physical death and being dead in your trespasses and sins. Because this body dies, but our soul lives on and we will receive a new body incorrubtable.
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Good point. I have not really discussed "free will" in relation to Universalism but your correct. The teachings of Universalism robs man of free will as it teaches all men will be forced into repentance to believe and follow what God's Word says. Good pickup.I might. But it's part of this discussion since one of the main objections to universal reconciliation is that it would rob mankind of free will.
On this we agree. We can't change our own hearts. Only God can. And faith in Christ is required for salvation. When that happens God is faithful to work in us to confirm us into the image of his son. That doesn't happen until we are born again. And we are not born again until we believe. And we can only be born again in this life, not the next.
This is not a discussion on hell. It is a discussion on UR. Yes I use the verses over and over again. They are proof that UR is not biblical.
I've said this before and I'll say it again.
1. UR uses various verses to try and prove their point. But the verses are mostly taken out of context.
2. Or the verses don't say what UR claims they say.
Every time a UR verse pops out I'm able to show how they are not an actual UR verse.
UR is NOT biblical. What happens to the unbeliever after they die and are judged? One thing we do know is they do not get into the heaven to be with the ones who believed before death. They NEVER get in.
What kind of punishment they get is a different topic.
Try meAnd I haven't seen anyone conclusively prove that UR proof texts are out of context.
Rom 6:7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.Exactly!
There is no resolution of the sin problem. It just continues for all eternity. UR to the rescue. - lol
Agree.I keep hearing that if God restored everyone, it would be against their free will or they would be robbed of their free will. However it's put, it's clearly viewed as a really bad thing to happen.
So I have to wonder what happens to the free will of those who inherit the kingdom. In other words am I stuck with being righteous for eternity, or will I still have the free will to rebel somewhere down the line?
The context doesn't indicate a reference to physical death. But rather death to self, the flesh, the old man, sin... (Romans 6:11)Rom 6:7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
Huh? Rom 6:7 is talking about us experiencing death with Jesus. That was physical death. You think the cross wasn’t a physical experience! How about the resurrection? Paul seems to think that death frees from sin. But he also thinks that by vicariously experiencing Jesus’ death, we can die to sin while we’re still alive.The context doesn't indicate a reference to physical death. But rather death to self, the flesh, the old man, sin... (Romans 6:11)
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Exactly!
There is no resolution of the sin problem. It just continues for all eternity. UR to the rescue. - lol
Well yes, but "vicariously experiencing Jesus’ death" isn't physical death for us.Huh? Rom 6:7 is talking about us experiencing death with Jesus. That was physical death. You think the cross wasn’t a physical experience! How about the resurrection? Paul seems to think that death frees from sin. But he also thinks that by vicariously experiencing Jesus’ death, we can die to sin while we’re still alive.
Right, so how can we believe unless God 'helps our unbelief'? You seem to want it both ways, or are you plumping for double predestination, where God deliberately leaves many folks in the dark just so He can burn them in hell forever?
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