Why Two Opposites In This Forum?

[meh]

at the time it was changed we were told that we had no say in the matter, that it would be edited, period. and it was. by a member of the non-WOF forum.

Well, even if I said that, which I can't remember, hopefully not, but maybe, I don't know...I'm saying let's put some changes forward if need be. We're trying to keep the SoF smaller than in the past so it's easier to follow. But I'm totally fine with someone posting up something new and I'll shop it around, so to speak, if the thing needs changing.

 

[lismore]

Thanx, Lis. But I am quite comfortable living under the same roof with WOF. For some reason, they are just not comfortable with me and those who share similar beliefs to mine.

I am quite at peace with those who disagree with me and I am sure of what I believe, despite my detractors. On occasion, they have even proven me wrong and I am grateful for the learning process, not threatened at all. ~Jim

Nice, but it's not all about you.

For you it might be iron sharpening iron having never ending debates on the same topic. But a lot of visitors and needy souls are looking in here then doing a smart 'U' turn.

This needs to be a forum for prayer and ministry to those who need it. We have a great commission and it's not to argue. Its to reach out to people who need saved, or who are hurting.

A never ending debate on some abstract American teachings, what's it solving?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I would like to compliment something the Admins did that actually helped stop flaming across forums .. disabling the search feature to search by username .

it is kinda sad though .

 

[probinson]

I stand by what I said, Pete. There has been no appreciable exodus from this forum and I do not remember a time when we consistently had 20-30 afternoon members posting in this SFPC forum.

Then you are either extremely forgetful, or in denial.

You can stand by what you said if you like, but the stats tell the story, and it's a very different story from what you tell.

 

[probinson]

It is now 5:15 and we have 15 in the SFPC forum as I type (11 members, 4 visitors). That is about what we have always had. This mythological attrition of members being "driven off" by our debates (discussions) just does not stand up to actuality.

It's not mythological. It's verifiable. No matter how much you deny the reality of the situation

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Actually, i've been on a number of sites and squabbling and drama generally is the reason why a lot of people tend to leave . a similar trend tends to follow in face to face communities also .

 

[Svt4Him]

To answer the op, IMO it's because a kingdom divided can't stand. We as a body have become so disjointed we don't really care if our hand is cut off, we don't really think we need the nose, we're too busy admiring our eyes in the mirror. And because of it, we make little to no difference in the world. Personally I think it's because we've become so comfortable in the foxhole we forgot we're in a war.

 

[FreeinChrist]

the current WOF statement of faith is what someone else believes that we believe, and what was written for us by someone who is not WOF.
we had no choice in the matter of what passes as our statement of faith.

i have a copy of what we actually believe.

That is not true. The SoF for both WOF and the Charismatic Non-WoF were taken from the SOFs developed by the members themselves back in the days of the wiki. They are briefer - and that is all.

 

[pdudgeon]

That is not true. The SoF for both WOF and the Charismatic Non-WoF were taken from the SOFs developed by the members themselves back in the days of the wiki. They are briefer - and that is all.

there is a lot i could say in response to this, but the original question was why were WOF talking about things that were not in their SOF.

1. not only is the current SOF briefer, but several points that the membership agreed upon were subsequently removed from the current version. and thus it is an inaccurate picture of what we believe.

2. the verifying scriptures in the original SOF were completely stripped from the current version, so that what is stated appears to be based only on man's opinion, and not on the word of God.

3. The current version includes things that were never in the original, and thus were not approved by the membership.

4. and it is a view of WOF thru the lense of one who is not WOF.

and no, it was not meh who was involved in the decision that gave us what you see today.

 

[JimB]

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[FreeinChrist]

there is a lot i could say in response to this, but the original question was why were WOF talking about things that were not in their SOF.

1. not only is the current SOF briefer, but several points that the membership agreed upon were subsequently removed from the current version. and thus it is an inaccurate picture of what we believe.

2. the verifying scriptures in the original SOF were completely stripped from the current version, so that what is stated appears to be based only on man's opinion, and not on the word of God.

3. The current version includes things that were never in the original, and thus were not approved by the membership.

4. and it is a view of WOF thru the lense of one who is not WOF.

and no, it was not meh who was involved in the decision that gave us what you see today.

You implied in your earlier post that some person created the SOF on their own. The current Sof as taken directly from the FSGs that were written by the members. Yes, it is briefer - as was directed by Advisors. The Advisors had to approve the SoF. IF you have more issue with them, my suggestion is to start a thread in the MemberServices center and have a discussion wth the Advisors and Admins about it.
EXPLAIN to them why they are inadequate and compare them to what was there. That is the place to discuss this. My only point in posting here was the implication that was given - it is not accurate.

Perhaps furthur discussion needs to be pm so the thread gets back on topic.

 

[psalms 91]

Another thread to look at is is the Assemblies of God WOF? Look at this last page or so of it and tell me there doesnt need to be a seperation or else a tightening of definitions, this is why we bleed members.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Another thread to look at is is the Assemblies of God WOF? Look at this last page or so of it and tell me there doesnt need to be a seperation or else a tightening of definitions, this is why we bleed members.

Actually, this is about doctrines that people who think that they are standing on principle when in reality they may be only insisting on their opinion that are causing division instead of creating unity.

 

[JimB]

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[JimB]

Another thread to look at is is the Assemblies of God WOF? Look at this last page or so of it and tell me there doesnt need to be a seperation or else a tightening of definitions, this is why we bleed members.

Or, you can always start your own forum.

And, FTR, we are not bleeding members and we never have. Participation in the SFPC forum has remained stable since I joined it in 2004.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[JimB]

Actually, this is about doctrines that people who think that they are standing on principle when in reality they may be only insisting on their opinion that are causing division instead of creating unity.

Yep, it’s always the other guys who are causing dissention.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[psalms 91]

Actually, this is about doctrines that people who think that they are standing on principle when in reality they may be only insisting on their opinion that are causing division instead of creating unity.

That is sort of how WOF looks at it as well so I say split rather than keep this up. There can be no unity when doctrines are so diametricly opposed. And yes, it is costing members and has for a long time.

 

[psalms 91]

Or, you can always start your own forum.

And, FTR, we are not bleeding members and we never have. Participation in the SFPC forum has remained stable since I joined it in 2004.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

Why I could suggest the same to you but then there would be no one to oppose so ardently.

 

[JimB]

Why I could suggest the same to you but then there would be no one to oppose so ardently.

But I’m happy with this forum just as it is (and always has been since I joined in 2004). It has always been WOF pushing their agenda and the rest of us opposing. It has been that way from the day I joined.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[JimfromOhio]

But I’m happy with this forum just as it is (and always has been since I joined in 2004). It has always been WOF pushing their agenda and the rest of us opposing. It has been that way from the day I joined.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

Yes, from my experience here, that's what happened.