Why Two Opposites In This Forum?

[JimfromOhio]

Not sarcasm, just pointing out the absurdity of Jim's denial of reality. In fact, I think he needs this shirt, stat;

Belief system we have adopted about how things "should be done" which often gets challenged by the way things are in reality.

 

[JimfromOhio]

i will say that many people do see WOF doctrines as devisive. But i'm sure that we are not the latest nor the last group who will be labeled as such.

Luther was devisive,
Wesley was devisive,
Christ was devisive,and they crucified Him.
Phillip was devisive and he was stoned
Peter was devisive and he was stoned, put in chains, etc.

i think we're in good company.

Yep. I can see why there are "divisions" within Christianity. Martin Luther began this even though it was NOT his intent. He was trying to "reform" the RCC by working for biblical reform from within.

 

[Simon Peter]

Then you should have no problem with two different congregational areas

Why? I've never supported that. Read my post again. I support a WoF, Pentecostal, and non-WoF (or Charismatic with non-WoF sof) forum, with a main Spirit Filled forum for all to discuss/debate.

I also support that the three forums be self-policed, and not be interfered with by other groups.

Non-WoF doctrines are divisive.
Would another WoF member please chime in and agree just so we can cancel this ignorance out?

No, I think the 'prosperity gospel', 'name it and claim it', and 'standing for your healing' are what's divisive.

I've been around many different denominations and types of churches, in a few countries, in the last 25 years, and the non-WoF alternatives to the above three doctrines have never been a problem, not among a huge variety of creeds; that is, except WoF.


peace,
Simon

 

[JimB]

i will say that many people do see WOF doctrines as devisive. But i'm sure that we are not the latest nor the last group who will be labeled as such.

Luther was devisive,
Wesley was devisive,
Christ was devisive,and they crucified Him.
Phillip was devisive and he was stoned
Peter was devisive and he was stoned, put in chains, etc.

i think we're in good company.

ps. WOF had their own forum first.

Don’t forget, Diotrephes, Hymeneas, Alexander, Simon the Sorcerer, and Judas were divisive, too.

Just sayin’.

~Jim

Christianity without signs and wonders is just another religion.​

 

[Simon Peter]

i will say that many people do see WOF doctrines as devisive. But i'm sure that we are not the latest nor the last group who will be labeled as such.

Luther was devisive,
Wesley was devisive,
Christ was devisive,and they crucified Him.
Phillip was devisive and he was stoned
Peter was devisive and he was stoned, put in chains, etc.

i think we're in good company.

Well at least you're admitting that it's WoF that is the divisive group.



peace,
Simon

 

[JimfromOhio]

Well at least you're admitting that it's WoF that is the divisive group.



peace,
Simon

 

[probinson]

Well at least you're admitting that it's WoF that is the divisive group.

Sometimes, I wonder if people in this forum can read;

i will say that many people do see WOF doctrines as devisive.

Clearly, 3 people (although I'm not sure that qualifies as "many") in this thread see WoF doctrines as "divisive", but in reality, it's just empty rhetoric.

Of course, now that I've posted this, non-WoF people will probably show up in droves to post how "divisive" WoF can be.

But interestingly enough, Jesus Himself said He came to bring division;

Luke 12:51
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.

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[psalms 91]

Non-WoF doctrines are divisive.
Would another WoF member please chime in and agree just so we can cancel this ignorance out?

OK sounds as good as what was said

 

[psalms 91]

As I said in the past, your sarcasm is well-known.

As is a couple of others.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Sometimes, I wonder if people in this forum can read;



Clearly, 3 people (although I'm not sure that qualifies as "many") in this thread see WoF doctrines as "divisive", but in reality, it's just empty rhetoric.

Of course, now that I've posted this, non-WoF people will probably show up in droves to post how "divisive" WoF can be.

But interestingly enough, Jesus Himself said He came to bring division;

Luke 12:51
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.

​

Yep. Sin has brought confusion. The wheat grows with the tares, the sheep and the goats coexist together. The hour is coming when the sheep will be divided from the goats and the tares separated from the wheat. The current division between the haves and have not in this area is a major hinderance to evangelism.

 

[psalms 91]

Yep. I can see why there are "divisions" within Christianity. Martin Luther began this even though it was NOT his intent. He was trying to "reform" the RCC by working for biblical reform from within.

Yeah that didnt go very well, they refused to listen as well and that split didnt cause the earth to stand still any more than this well needed split would either.

 

[JimfromOhio]

As is a couple of others.

Yes, this forum has become well known for provoking each other with sarcasm.

 

[psalms 91]

Why? I've never supported that. Read my post again. I support a WoF, Pentecostal, and non-WoF (or Charismatic with non-WoF sof) forum, with a main Spirit Filled forum for all to discuss/debate.

I also support that the three forums be self-policed, and not be interfered with by other groups.




No, I think the 'prosperity gospel', 'name it and claim it', and 'standing for your healing' are what's divisive.

I've been around many different denominations and types of churches, in a few countries, in the last 25 years, and the non-WoF alternatives to the above three doctrines have never been a problem, not among a huge variety of creeds; that is, except WoF.


peace,
Simon

Do you think that perhaps these doctrines are misrepresented, slandered, and just plain dragged in the mud? I can see how keeping us one big happy forum is going to really work well. Oh well, we will just lose more members.

 

[psalms 91]

Yep. Sin has brought confusion. The wheat grows with the tares, the sheep and the goats coexist together. The hour is coming when the sheep will be divided from the goats and the tares separated from the wheat. The current division between the haves and have not in this area is a major hinderance to evangelism.

And a major hinderance to positive things like clear doctrinal beliefs, people joining and staying, etc.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Yeah that didnt go very well, they refused to listen as well and that split didnt cause the earth to stand still any more than this well needed split would either.

Split happened when RCC refused to change. Luther and the reformers wanted to correct what they thought was incorrect doctrine but preserve everything else, working for biblical reform from within. They were forced to be separated.

You may be right about this but is it an answer? I doubt it.

 

[Simon Peter]

Sometimes, I wonder if people in this forum can read;[/quote}

Originally Posted by pdudgeon

i will say that many people do see WOF doctrines as devisive.
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I can read, we have a WoF person saying many people do see WOF doctrines as devisive. What's to misunderstand?

Clearly, 3 people (although I'm not sure that qualifies as "many") in this thread see WoF doctrines as "divisive", but in reality, it's just empty rhetoric.

Of course, now that I've posted this, non-WoF people will probably show up in droves to post how "divisive" WoF can be.

What makes you think Pdudgeon was just talking about here at CF. I'm aware of WoF doctrines causing problems throughout the church.

But interestingly enough, Jesus Himself said He came to bring division;

Luke 12:51
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
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Pete, you also sound 'proud' of the division WoF doctrines cause!




peace,
Simon

 

[JimfromOhio]

And a major hinderance to positive things like clear doctrinal beliefs, people joining and staying, etc.

Agreeing on "clear doctrinal beliefs" is the issue.

 

[psalms 91]

Agreeing on "clear doctrinal beliefs" is the issue.

Exactly, and what happens in a church or denom where the difference is doctrine? They split to preserve peace and both sides for if they stay together divided they will fall. That is why I wonder why some push so hard to maintain this insanity.

 

[probinson]

Originally Posted by pdudgeon

i will say that many people do see WOF doctrines as devisive.
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I can read, we have a WoF person saying many people do see WOF doctrines as devisive. What's to misunderstand?

You said she admitted that WoF was divisive, but what she admitted was that many people do see WoF as divisive. She did not say that they were divisive, just that "many" people see it as such.

Which is why I often wonder if people can read.

What makes you think Pdudgeon was just talking about here at CF. I'm aware of WoF doctrines causing problems throughout the church.

Swell. I'm aware of non-WoF doctrines causing problems throughout the church as well. Your point?

Pete, you also sound 'proud' of the division WoF doctrines cause!

People simply post what they believe, and you call it "divisive".

Absolute nonsense.

 

[Faulty]

i will say that many people do see WOF doctrines as devisive. But i'm sure that we are not the latest nor the last group who will be labeled as such.

Luther was devisive,
Wesley was devisive,
Christ was devisive,and they crucified Him.
Phillip was devisive and he was stoned
Peter was devisive and he was stoned, put in chains, etc.

i think we're in good company.

ps. WOF had their own forum first.

Rasputin was also divisive.